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==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:I think as you say the main issues relate to the bullet pointed sections; mainly there are phrases like 'broad rights', which are both unhelpful and potentially misleading depending on how the reader interprets it. I'd say a shortening of the consumer impact summary, and the addition of a full section on its terms of service is probably sensible.
:I also removed the section on vague moderation as it really didn't have good enough citations to support its inclusion.
:I do think it's in a decent enough state to probably not need the tone warning however, and so I've taken it off.
:thanks @[[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] for pinging me! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if need placing at a different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Since it not formal like rest of the wiki; where do I place it? (Look at the edit history) [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:54, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I've been following this discussion, I've just tried the move to your user now and it worked. No idea why it didn't work for Keith. It is now at [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::Thanks [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard

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==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles with merge requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant]]
*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if need placing at a different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Since it not formal like rest of the wiki; where do I place it? (Look at the edit history) [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:54, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

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==Open tasks==

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==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if it at different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::Since it not formal like rest of the wiki; where do I place it? (Look at the edit history) [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:54, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

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==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask where do I place it?==

I dont mind if it at different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Not in a rude way ofc [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:53, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard

2026-02-28T23:51:53Z

^&*: /* May I ask where do I place it? */ new section

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{{Archives}} 
==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles with merge requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant]]
*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::I'd probably agree with you that this isn't needed - creating an economy/bounty system is probably overkill, and unnecessarily complex at this stage. I think article ratings etc. are probably something best handled through the [[Projects:Hub|projects]] system, similar to how Wikipedia uses it for things like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Molecular_Biology/Molecular_and_Cell_Biology . creating a project like that for each article type could be a pretty decent way of going about it? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:We might be doing this. There is discussion on what’s going to happen if privacy stuff continues to occur with discord. Rest assured though that staff will keep everyone informed. Thanks for bringing this up and please let us know if you need anything else. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:49, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:{{done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:09, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==Discord tone appeal==

Hi, on 13 September 2025 [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Discord&oldid=24510 Beanie Bo put a tone notice] on [[Discord]]. It's been some time since then, so does the ToS and Privacy Policy still need to be described instead of in bullet point? What other things could be improved in clearing the tone warning? (if any)? Thanks. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 05:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:I’ll get this flagged to Keith so we can review this internally - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

==can I get mod?==

the title's a half joke. can sm1 revert [[Talk:Razer]] to [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Razer&oldid=36825 this] version? a rando replaced the topic alongside the discussion with a summarized line cuz they thought it was the article itself. I wasn't able to revert cuz of this. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 06:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

== May I ask where do I place it? ==

I dont mind if it at different website, but where should this article be placed at?
https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:51, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

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== ?==

what you tryna accomplish w this? do you want this to be a page on the wiki? cuz rn this page and [[User:Digital_Ownership_Superact]] are user pages. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

:That was me moving into different page but failed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::Keith moved it! But left broken redirect page, I think [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::we typically use our userpages as sandboxes for developing articles. I assume he thought you tried doing that but accidentally created a user page for sm1 that does not exist. [[Digital Ownership Superact]] exists but is a redirect to [[Digital_Ownership_Superact]] which you then link to this page. do you want me to migrate it to its rightful place? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:41, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::I thought this was rightful place, I am still developing it [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:43, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::oh in that case I'll leave it be for now. just gonna fix the redirects and we should be fine. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:44, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::That was me moving the page yesterday and then replacing the broken redirect to this page today [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:44, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive==

[[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]]

archive done [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 04:33, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you! May I ask where is it archived? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 10:15, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
::wayback machine [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 14:15, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! I am not being mean, but it's archived partially (In my end) as in shows a section of the text,
:::I went to this link https://web.archive.org/web/20260225210141/https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 17:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

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==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
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*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for that too [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

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==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles with merge requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant]]
*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
::as [[Digital Ownership Superact]] already exists I could not move [[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact]] to it. idk how articles are merged or supplanted or if I have such perms. but what I can do is copy over the content which I did. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you! [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 23:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)?==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:[[User_talk:Keith#alternative_to_Discord]] this might intrigue you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:59, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==Yum! relevance appeal==

the person that marked it irrelevant did it so w the justification of "because subject doesn't seem to be relevant to cases of "new" consumer exploitation". are incidents from 2014 really irrelevant? if so we got a lot of onions to chop [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 23:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

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*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

== May I ask are you going to transition from Discord to Matrix (Not the movie)? ==

Just another genuine question. Sorry to bother you.

https://matrix.org/ [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

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==Open tasks==

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==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should I do once my article is finished==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yes this link https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Digital_Ownership_Superact&redirect=no, this link is there to fix the broken redirect left (SixenTitan did that iirc) I have done the article what should I do? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 19:27, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Samsung One UI 8 Bootloader Restriction

2026-02-27T19:16:42Z

^&*: Change to "I have done it"

{{StubNotice}}

{{IncidentCargo
|Company=Samsung
|StartDate=2025-07-18
|Status=Active
|ProductLine=One UI
|Product=One UI 8
|ArticleType=Product
|Type=Planned Obsolesence, Digital Restriction, Firmware Restriction, Anti-consumer Behavior
|Description=Samsung quietly disables bootloader in One UI 8 worldwide where previously it only affected the U.S..
}}Samsung globally disabled the ability for consumers to unlock the bootloaders on their Galaxy devices, eliminating the possibility of installing custom operating systems discovered by a contributor to custom ROM's, known as "[https://xdaforums.com/t/bootloader-unlocking-option-removed-from-one-ui-8-0.4751904/ salvo_giangri]"<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Sharma |first=Adamya |orig-date=July 27, 2025 |title=Samsung may be killing bootloader unlocking on all phones with One UI 8 |url=https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-bootloader-unlocking-disabled-one-ui-8-3581366/}}</ref>. At the time One UI 8 was still in beta and there was hope that it would no longer be the case in the stable release, however with the stable version release in July 25th 2025 on Galaxy Z Fold 7 / Z Flip 7 family, the restriction was still present.<ref>{{Cite web |orig-date=July 26, 2025 |title=Stable One UI 8 removed Bootloader settings from Developer options: Report |url=https://www.sammyfans.com/2025/07/26/stable-one-ui-8-removed-bootloader-settings-from-developer-options-report/}}</ref>
==Background==
"One UI is a user interface (UI) developed by Samsung Electronics for its mobile, computing devices and TVs, including Android devices running Android 9 "Pie" and later."<ref>{{Cite web |title=One UI |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_UI#References_and_notes |website=Wikipedia}}</ref> Since its release in 2018, it has always featured a locked bootloader to U.S.<ref>{{Cite web |title=OEM Unlocking option is missing from Beta 3 on SM-G981U1 |url=https://xdaforums.com/t/oem-unlocking-option-is-missing-from-beta-3-on-sm-g981u1.4188771/}}</ref><ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1">{{Cite web |last=Pandey |first=Rajesh |date=2025-07-28 |title=One UI 8 spells the end for custom ROMs on Samsung phones |url=https://www.androidpolice.com/one-ui-8-spells-the-end-for-custom-roms-on-samsung-phones/ |website=Android Police}}</ref> Consumers, however outside the U.S., it has been a different story and many international phones samsung phones, supported the unlocking of the bootloader unlike U.S. phones. Unlocking the bootloader was only an option for Non U.S. phones, and U.S. phones lacked the OEM unlock toggle seen only in international model's.<ref name=":1" />

==[Incident]==
{{Ph-I-I}}

===[Company]'s response===
{{Ph-I-ComR}}

==Consumer response==
{{Ph-I-ConR}}

^&*: I created an [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact article] (I think I have done it), as a proposal act (of course, I am limited in resources so an article in response was my option) (Not as self promotion)
==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Ph-I-C}}

Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard

2026-02-27T18:09:02Z

^&*: /* What should I do once my article is finished */ new section

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*Post '''appeals''' to article notice templates (e.g. Incomplete, Stub, etc.)
*Post requests for '''moderator action''' here (e.g. blocks)
*Just need a mod? Post here or ping a mod with a question.
*Post any information or news relevant to the moderation team here.
*To request an article to be created, do not post here, try [[Article suggestions]] instead.
*Do not report technical issues here, please use the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Bugs|Bugs noticeboard]] instead.

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</div>
<br />
{{Archives}} 
==Open tasks==

*[[:Category:Articles with deletion requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles with merge requests]]
*[[:Category:Articles marked as irrelevant]]
*[[Special:NewPages]]

==stub notice bug==

I tried submitting my deletion req for [[FakePortal]] but get hit with "Stub notices can NOT be removed by users with normal privileges". Tried removing the unused infoboxes in [[WhatsApp]], [[GoGuardian]], [[Asus]] and [[Roblox]], and the same dice. w h y? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:31, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

:I'll check this out now [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:19, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::This seems to be a regular issue with the abuse filter [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#How_do_you_edit_beginning_of_an_article_with_StubNotice?|which absolutely has been talked about before]]. It's very annoying and in my opinion we need some sort of edit request system or a new group given to users to bypass the filter, but for now I'll just check the abuse log and apply the edit manually myself. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
:The issue is when edits are made in-line with a stub notice, as (iirc) the filter checks for edits to the same line as the change [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::the notice* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:50, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
:::hey can this please be fixed? it's really damn annoying. removal of redundant infoboxes on [[Deep Cycle Systems]] and [[Allstate]] are triggering it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
::::I can remove these now. It would be cool if a usergroup would dodge the filter. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:01, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, I wonder if we should create a 'superconfirmed' group or something, which doesn't have the banning powers of a mod but can edit article notices. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:19, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::I had the same issue. Just noticed this section. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 19:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] {{Done}} your edit! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 20:45, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Idea for a new section==

An "Important" / "Must-Reads" / "Starter Pack" / "Essential Reading" section showing the most important articles to view for someone new to the Consumer Rights scene, or just someone unknowing.

Furthermore, the ability to rate an article. Perhaps as a way to show which matters are trending, because of many people having said problem with said device/service. Could be a "Saved me!", "Worked", "Didn't work", where "Saved me!" can only be used maybe once a day, to show which issues a not just trending, but very crucial. These ratings could help place relevant articles at the top of a second section within "Important"/Whatever.

These two sections would give users a place to scroll and skim through, to see if there are any matters relevant for them, like a random product they own, that they didn't know had a Consumer Rights issue.

Additionally; the ability to give pledges to article writers/editors. I'm not fully sure how it would work at the moment, but it would give people a way to support editors that produce important relevant articles. Perhaps the site could take a small cut, which both contributes to funding the server costs or the "legal fund" that Rossman mentioned, but also gives people a bigger incentive to pledge to editors, knowing that some of it goes to supporting the website and its users. [[User:Sebandar|Sebandar]] ([[User talk:Sebandar|talk]]) 19:57, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:I would appreciate a pane with "must-reads" on the main page that highlights the articles with the widest spread effects and only includes well-written articles. Putting some articles in the same industry, like articles on Apple and Google's app store restrictions, would be especially effective, because it's nearly guaranteed that one of these applies to the reader. If you want to make a draft of this somewhere I would be down to help work on it.
:I like the article rating idea. I don't know how difficult it would be to add interactive content like this to the wiki, but it sounds like a good way to receive feedback. The only official way to receive feedback currently is on the talk pages but those are all pretty dead. Some prioritization on pageviews or feedback would be nice.
:On pledges, Wikipedia actually has something like this, it has a [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Reward_board|reward board]] where users are offered barnstars or real money to improve articles, but it's not used very much. Most users seem to be offering up prizes only for the fun of doing so, not because it's particularly effective. If the content is relevant and/or interesting, someone probably is already working on it. I don't personally think this site needs an economy but if it were to be implemented, I think we should plug donations to FULU or other affiliated foundations on the main page and then have those foundations offer microgrants for editors. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:02, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==Form pages==

I made a change to [[Form:Company]] following Discord suggestion #181. I was going to add this to [[Form:Product]] and [[Form:ProductLine]] but these pages are protected.

So, I am requesting an edit to those two pages to replace "(supported file types = PNG|JPG)" with "(supported file types = JPG, PNG, SVG)" to represent the fact that SVGs are allowed, and also to admin-protect [[Form:Company]] since that's an important page. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:13, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==“Summaries” of articles==

I'd like to propose an idea that I think would help people read articles in a rush. Add a box at the top of all long pages (e.g. [[YouTube]], or all that aren't stubs or marked as incomplete) that summarises the article (the incidents the company has been involved in, what it does, etc) in a couple of sentences. Let me know what you think. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:17, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:What makes this different from a lead paragraph? Would you replace the lead paragraph entirely with this template or would it be a complementary resource with links to related company/product/theme articles? You could link to categories/other articles there. I think categories on wikis in general are overlooked by most readers and putting them at the top sounds interesting. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:07, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

==InfoboxCompany to CargoCompany cleanup part 2==

The companies have all been moved over now, the only [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AInfoboxCompany&namespace=&limit=50 places that InfoboxCompany exist in] are in some documentation out of main namespace and on these pages where they were placed on the same line as a notice:
[[AirAsia]], [[Deep Cycle Systems]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]], [[Anova Culinary]], [[Sig Sauer]], [[RepairShopr]]

Converting InfoboxProductLine and finding more pages without infoboxes or cargo... sometime. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:44, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:Still need these removed if anyone has 5 minutes:
:[[AirAsia]], [[Allstate]], [[Happiest Baby]], [[Verisk Analytics, Inc.]], [[DAZN]], [[Federal Communications Commission]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 19:51, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
::{{Done}}. Sorry for taking so long. It'd be nice if there was a usergroup that could dodge all the edit filters. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:07, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

==Color scheme==

The main Sitenotice text is nearly the same color as the link inside of it, making it hard to distinguish where the link is if you haven't clicked the link yet. A larger contrast would be nice, since the notice is going to be up for another 25 days or so. https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit

This also applies to most of the main page, blue/muddy purple on blue doesn't look the best, but that's a larger undertaking. If the main page is up for redesign it would be nice to take the color contrast into consideration. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 16:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)

:I've simply made it black and white, although I don't think it is entirely fixed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Please can nobody amend the theme or any elements currently, I am restyling the website. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 17:41, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Looks great, and has nice contrast! [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Still somewhat of a work in progress, but definitely a significant improvement over the previous version. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 18:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I like it too! As an idea, make the borders rounded like the original one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:52, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::No worries, all done! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:09, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Wow, this looks amazing now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Template troubles==

So, a lot of the articles with [[Template:Incomplete]] and cargo templates that display a box (any but IncidentCargo) have big foreheads right now (see a list of articles with Incomplete [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Incomplete&limit=100 here]). I did some testing, the Incomplete template itself doesn't have a trailing newline, and none of the cargos have a preceding newline. A <nowiki><p><br></nowiki><nowiki></p></nowiki> is being added by the parser when the two are put together, and only when they are not on the same line. I've also seen this in the wild with [[Template:SloppyAI]] and with [[Template:Welcome]] on new user talk pages. Welcome should be a simple edit fix since it's not combined with other templates, but it seems that anytime templates are combined, they must be put on the same line or they will introduce an unintended newline. You can see an instance of Incomplete and SloppyAI together causing problems on [[Samsung TVs]].

Many Wikipedia pages have several templates next to each other without this problem, for example see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2025%E2%80%932026_Iranian_protests&oldid=1334922628 2025-2026 Iranian protests]. So the problem is solvable in MediaWiki, but I don't know how much work is required to do so. According to [[:Category:Todo]], over 700 articles have these banners, which is the majority of the wiki.

If other people think it's important too, I can work on this, but I don't know how to compare this wiki's configuration against stuff in the MediaWiki documentation. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:35, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

:Oh yeah, some junk from my experimenting that we should delete once the problem is resolved: [[User:Bythmusters/templatetesting]], [[Qwerty]] [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 13:37, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::Do you mean the top has more height than the rest of the box? I'm not entirely sure what you are talking about. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Also, the Wiki's main config can be seen at [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], where all the css and js that you see the moment you load a page is at. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:34, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
:::So, let's compare these two versions:
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35089
:::https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:Bythmusters/templatetesting&oldid=35091
:::There is an additional newline between the bottom of the template and the beginning of the article text. The only difference in the source text is:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}{\{ProductLineCargo"</nowiki>
:::vs:
:::<nowiki>"{\{Incomplete}}</nowiki>
:::{\{ProductLineCargo"
:::In the second one, there's a newline to separate the templates, as it's more natural to read in the source editor this way. Wikipedia articles do not render this newline, but CRW does. That is my issue, it takes up a lot of space on the screen.
:::Thanks for the links, I read through the Common.css and Common.js of this wiki and Wikipedia but I didn't see anything relevant. I think it's in the parser, where the mediawiki text gets converted into html but I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:53, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Ah, okay. Reread your previous post and now feel like an idiot for not understanding. I don't know how to fix that if it's the parser. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:33, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Yeah idk it's probably not worth the trouble to fix. I like learning about mediawiki but not that much [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 15:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

==Feedback on changes to sidebar appearance and arrangement==

*I suggest renaming the "Tools" section for the web browser addon to something else to differentiate it from the wiki tools. I also recommend moving it to the way bottom, at least until it's ready for prime time, since it makes wiki editors have to scroll further to reach the wiki tools than previously.

*An option to hide the mini-list of recent changes and restore the single line "Recent Changes" for the original minimalist design.
**<strike>As an addendum: The font size of said mini-list is not consistent with the font size used both throughout the sidebar and the wiki itself, making it stand out like a sore thumb.</strike>

*An option to hide the community section for those of us that refuse to ever use [[Discord]]. I'd rather have a native choice available instead of resorting to a browser addon to remove it.

''(Note: Feedback is based on using Firefox v147.0.2 and the wiki skin "Vector legacy (2010)".)'' — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:32, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

:I’ve mentioned already that Vector legacy (2010) hasn’t been worked on yet, as most users are on Vector 2022 where these changes have been applied. The examples you listed aren’t present on the current default skin. I’d appreciate your patience while I get round to updating the legacy variant. In the meantime, I’ve resolved the issue where discussion tabs and similar tabs were hidden. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

::Respectfully, I find your response confusing. What I bring up here is a separate matter from [[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Bugs#Page_tabs_hidden|my bug report]], and I posted ''only'' after first waiting a couple days and checked the default skin before-hand. I've struck out the one line since apparently it wasn't intentional like I had thought (and it had affected both legacy and default skins for the record), but otherwise my general feedback is unchanged.

::I appreciate the work you do on the wiki and thank you for fixing the bugged page tabs. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 02:22, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I understand that the feedback here is separate from the bug report, though I’m also a little confused: the default skin does not show the duplicated Tools section that the legacy version does, so I’m not sure how it would be confused with the wiki tools. It’s also already at the very bottom on the default skin. As for the other suggestions about hiding certain areas, I can look into those, but it won’t be a short-term fix. I appreciate the feedback and the kind words! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 19:14, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

==What should this image be licensed under?==

This [[:Category:Suspected copyright violations|image I archived]] for Age Verification, I selected as "without permission" since I didn't see they licensed it under CC BY 4.0 at the time - yet the site rejected both IA and archive.today, which felt like they held the copyright. How should the content be tagged? (I

On another note, if you go to the [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 site of the reference] and click "View PDF", after solving a Cloudflare "are you human" it grants access to the full pdf which has "© 2017 The Authors. Published by Elsevier Ltd. This is an open access article under the CC BY license (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)." as the footer of the first page. I wonder if that's the better way to go about archiving this reference.

Probably could have worded this better, thanks for your time. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 02:59, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've deleted it while we figure out copyright status of this. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to exist on the IA [https://web.archive.org/web/20190203021620/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563217303357 here]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately that snapshot only has the Abstract. I'm not the one that added the particular source, but it (may) be sufficient enough to add as an archive link for that particular source (talking about the [[Age Verification]] article in case anyone's confused), so I've gone and done so. Thanks for your input. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:34, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
::This can be safely undeleted. The copyright symbol is sometimes used for partial copyright (which Creative Commons is). A more suitable symbol would have been the "(cc)" (creative commons) symbol, but it is not a dedicated unicode character like "©". The document itself says it is Creative Commons, not "all rights reserved", so I see no reason not to undelete it. [[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 22:51, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

==Appeal Request==

On the article regarding [[Restaurant Brands International caught training AI models using customer voices|Restaurant Brand International]], I think that the source credibility issue lacks merit and should be removed, as I don't see how it could be lacking in source credibility due to (in my opinion) additional evidence backup with images and detail breakthrough of the event that would classify it as being trustworthy? Would like some thoughts and comments around this, very confused. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

:Mr Pollo often does tagging like that, pinging @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] for thoughts here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:01, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
::Also, incomplete is often simply used for a short article, although it doesnt specify it in the notice. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:02, 14 February 2026 (UTC)
:Hello, I added the incomplete template to that article for two main reasons: aspects such as the Background section can be expanded into a paragraph and a "consumer response" section as seen [[Template:IncidentPreload|here]] would greatly benefit the article. So far it is a good article, but it can be better with my suggestions. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:47, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::Now i see. I think that's fair and i agree! Thank you for clearing some things up, will definitely work on it as soon as I get the chance! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 20:56, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
:::Of course, thank you as well for your contributions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 21:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC)
::::No problem! it should be good now when you have the time to check, please let me know of any addition problems~@[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 23:49, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::forgot to add that regarding your previous comment on if you rule and welcome really happened, yes and I can confirm with screenshots or whatever necessary for whatever link you couldn't access. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the notice! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:17, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::The article looks good, didn’t notice any new problems. Nice work! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 14:20, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

==Archive.today weaponising PCs into causing DDoS attacks==

Hello, I just wanted to bring up the fact that Archive.today has recently decided to DDoS a random blog using people visiting their site (without them even realising) because they disliked a page on it. This doesn't exactly make me very happy with using the service for archiving links if they willingly do things like that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:11, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

:That is concerning, afaik it's basically just run by one person so that's always a risk factor. Internet archive still has the issue of being pretty compliant when faced with DMCA takedowns, but at least it's a bit more of an institution...
:Do you think we should pull it as a recommended archive site over this? does result in a bit of a single-point-of-failure with IA. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:17, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::Maybe wait it out for a little while, see what Wikipedia does, and then copy them? from the looks of it there's a lot of discussion going on about it over there. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:25, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Archive.is_RFC_5 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:26, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Seems like a good plan. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:36, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::It's been closed as deprecate archive.today. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:05, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::As the saying goes, "This is informative, and unfortunate".
::::::My main concern with IA is its aging maintainers (which I can no longer verify on the site), but this does seem to be a more pressing issue. Will look into re-archiving pages I've done in the past. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::This seems extremely far fetched, but I'd like if the FULU Foundation themselves could make an archiving service. This sounds ridiculous but just putting it out there in case it is possible. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:24, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Pulled it from the recommended archiving lists, @[[User:Keith|Keith]] you can change it back if you disagree. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:28, 20 February 2026 (UTC) <sub>Edit: Was a bit hasty of me, I've reinstated it with a warning. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:53, 20 February 2026 (UTC)</sub>
::::::::we have considered self-hosting an archivebox instance or similar, with the ability to create archive pages locked behind a confirmed wiki account. Cost wise (including the time cost of setup and maintenance), it's feasible but not ideal, so i wouldn't count on it happening unless things really go to shit with the big archivers. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:35, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::OK, actually looking through and reading the reasons given for the consensus view, I'd be happy to adopt it, and will un-undo your edits and just take it off, leaving an explanation.
:::::::::the fact that the maintainer has been credibly alleged to have altered the content of sites hosted there is the biggest concern for me, as having a reliable record is kind of the whole point.
:::::::::going to @[[User:Banana|Banana]] here to see this discussion since he's been working on an archive bot for citations. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:41, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::I've created [[Special:AbuseFilter/14]] for links. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with this. but being a US org wouldn't they also be mandated to honor the DMCA? and hence have the same issues as IA? idk much abt the hosting aspect of it but many shadow sites exist that do not at all honor the DMCA. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:03, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::From what I've seen they've done malicious things like making seperate web crawlers that do the same thing to make it harder to block it and also not honoring the DMCA which from my understanding has gotten them into legal issues. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:20, 22 February 2026 (UTC)
:thanks for letting us know! will definetly be using alternative means of archiving for now on! [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 02:43, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

==banning Discord from citations==

[[OpenAI#cite_ref-5]] is a Discord link. As a non user of Discord I cannot see what has been cited. people should not be required to create an account to view the source of a claim. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 16:11, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:Agreed. Ive removed it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:26, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

==[[special:AbuseFilter/14]]==

Hi, can someone with good knowledge of the abuse filter code fix or tell me how to fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:06, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

:I've fixed this and it's now working [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 03:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Is Bloatware still a stub?==

[[Bloatware|This article]] seems less of a stub compared to [[Ad block]] [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 23:59, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

:Unsure on this one. I don't think any mods passed by it and tagged that one, so I've tagged Ad block now. I'm leaning to de-stub it but I'm still not entirely sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:11, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

==Potential website bug==

I made my new page (unlocking technology act of 2013) on mobile, where I could not use the shortcut to make proper references according to Rossmann's guide video, so I had just included links to the sources used instead. I got back here on a computer and attempted to fix them, but I ran into a problem. I had previously added a stub notice to my article. While I did not attempt to remove the stub notice in my edits while fixing the references, I still got the message that I could not remove the notice, and it would not accept my edit. I cannot fix the article as things are. [[User:Luigi2262|Luigi2262]] ([[User talk:Luigi2262|talk]]) 03:28, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:The wiki has always had the irritating behavior of a notice tag (whether Incomplete, Stub, etc.) forbidding any in-line editing, even if it's only to place a page's cargo template on a new line separate from the tag.
:And I know you've already commented under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#stub notice bug|stub notice bug]] discussion, but I figure it'll be good to make note here as well. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

== What should I do once my article is finished ==

Should I leave it in that place <nowiki>https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact</nowiki>? [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 18:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Samsung One UI 8 Bootloader Restriction

2026-02-26T22:21:25Z

^&*: Forgot to mention it not due to self promoting my article, I do not mean it in a selfish way

{{StubNotice}}

{{IncidentCargo
|Company=Samsung
|StartDate=2025-07-18
|Status=Active
|ProductLine=One UI
|Product=One UI 8
|ArticleType=Product
|Type=Planned Obsolesence, Digital Restriction, Firmware Restriction, Anti-consumer Behavior
|Description=Samsung quietly disables bootloader in One UI 8 worldwide where previously it only affected the U.S..
}}Samsung globally disabled the ability for consumers to unlock the bootloaders on their Galaxy devices, eliminating the possibility of installing custom operating systems discovered by a contributor to custom ROM's, known as "[https://xdaforums.com/t/bootloader-unlocking-option-removed-from-one-ui-8-0.4751904/ salvo_giangri]"<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Sharma |first=Adamya |orig-date=July 27, 2025 |title=Samsung may be killing bootloader unlocking on all phones with One UI 8 |url=https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-bootloader-unlocking-disabled-one-ui-8-3581366/}}</ref>. At the time One UI 8 was still in beta and there was hope that it would no longer be the case in the stable release, however with the stable version release in July 25th 2025 on Galaxy Z Fold 7 / Z Flip 7 family, the restriction was still present.<ref>{{Cite web |orig-date=July 26, 2025 |title=Stable One UI 8 removed Bootloader settings from Developer options: Report |url=https://www.sammyfans.com/2025/07/26/stable-one-ui-8-removed-bootloader-settings-from-developer-options-report/}}</ref>

"One UI is a user interface (UI) developed by Samsung Electronics for its mobile, computing devices and TVs, including Android devices running Android 9 "Pie" and later."<ref>{{Cite web |title=One UI |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_UI#References_and_notes |website=Wikipedia}}</ref> Since its release in 2018, it has always featured a locked bootloader to U.S.<ref>{{Cite web |title=OEM Unlocking option is missing from Beta 3 on SM-G981U1 |url=https://xdaforums.com/t/oem-unlocking-option-is-missing-from-beta-3-on-sm-g981u1.4188771/}}</ref><ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1">{{Cite web |last=Pandey |first=Rajesh |date=2025-07-28 |title=One UI 8 spells the end for custom ROMs on Samsung phones |url=https://www.androidpolice.com/one-ui-8-spells-the-end-for-custom-roms-on-samsung-phones/ |website=Android Police}}</ref> Consumers, however outside the U.S., it has been a different story and many international phones samsung phones, supported the unlocking of the bootloader unlike U.S. phones. Unlocking the bootloader was only an option for Non U.S. phones, and U.S. phones lacked the OEM unlock toggle seen only in international model's.<ref name=":1" />

==[Incident]==
{{Ph-I-I}}

===[Company]'s response===
{{Ph-I-ComR}}

==Lawsuit==
{{Ph-I-L}}

==Consumer response==
{{Ph-I-ConR}}

^&*: I created an [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact article] (still developing), as a proposal act (of course, I am limited in resources so an article in response was my option) (Not as self promotion)
==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Ph-I-C}}

Samsung One UI 8 Bootloader Restriction

2026-02-26T22:19:06Z

^&*: /* Consumer response */ You can choose to delete this change, I have put an note, you can read the underdeveloped article and see if its meet your criteria as a "comsumer response" (within date Thursday 26th Feb 2026)

{{StubNotice}}

{{IncidentCargo
|Company=Samsung
|StartDate=2025-07-18
|Status=Active
|ProductLine=One UI
|Product=One UI 8
|ArticleType=Product
|Type=Planned Obsolesence, Digital Restriction, Firmware Restriction, Anti-consumer Behavior
|Description=Samsung quietly disables bootloader in One UI 8 worldwide where previously it only affected the U.S..
}}Samsung globally disabled the ability for consumers to unlock the bootloaders on their Galaxy devices, eliminating the possibility of installing custom operating systems discovered by a contributor to custom ROM's, known as "[https://xdaforums.com/t/bootloader-unlocking-option-removed-from-one-ui-8-0.4751904/ salvo_giangri]"<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Sharma |first=Adamya |orig-date=July 27, 2025 |title=Samsung may be killing bootloader unlocking on all phones with One UI 8 |url=https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-bootloader-unlocking-disabled-one-ui-8-3581366/}}</ref>. At the time One UI 8 was still in beta and there was hope that it would no longer be the case in the stable release, however with the stable version release in July 25th 2025 on Galaxy Z Fold 7 / Z Flip 7 family, the restriction was still present.<ref>{{Cite web |orig-date=July 26, 2025 |title=Stable One UI 8 removed Bootloader settings from Developer options: Report |url=https://www.sammyfans.com/2025/07/26/stable-one-ui-8-removed-bootloader-settings-from-developer-options-report/}}</ref>

"One UI is a user interface (UI) developed by Samsung Electronics for its mobile, computing devices and TVs, including Android devices running Android 9 "Pie" and later."<ref>{{Cite web |title=One UI |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_UI#References_and_notes |website=Wikipedia}}</ref> Since its release in 2018, it has always featured a locked bootloader to U.S.<ref>{{Cite web |title=OEM Unlocking option is missing from Beta 3 on SM-G981U1 |url=https://xdaforums.com/t/oem-unlocking-option-is-missing-from-beta-3-on-sm-g981u1.4188771/}}</ref><ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1">{{Cite web |last=Pandey |first=Rajesh |date=2025-07-28 |title=One UI 8 spells the end for custom ROMs on Samsung phones |url=https://www.androidpolice.com/one-ui-8-spells-the-end-for-custom-roms-on-samsung-phones/ |website=Android Police}}</ref> Consumers, however outside the U.S., it has been a different story and many international phones samsung phones, supported the unlocking of the bootloader unlike U.S. phones. Unlocking the bootloader was only an option for Non U.S. phones, and U.S. phones lacked the OEM unlock toggle seen only in international model's.<ref name=":1" />

==[Incident]==
{{Ph-I-I}}

===[Company]'s response===
{{Ph-I-ComR}}

==Lawsuit==
{{Ph-I-L}}

==Consumer response==
{{Ph-I-ConR}}

^&*: I created an [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact article] (still developing), as a proposal act (of course, I am limited in resources so an article in response was my option)
==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Ph-I-C}}

User talk:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact

2026-02-26T19:44:09Z

^&*: /* ? */ Reply

User talk:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact

2026-02-26T19:43:03Z

^&*: /* ? */ Reply

User talk:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact

2026-02-26T19:38:07Z

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User talk:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact

2026-02-26T19:37:45Z

^&*: /* ? */ Reply

User:Digital Ownership Superact

2026-02-26T19:30:46Z

^&*:

The redirect is broken, (until its deleted by admin), here the [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact link] (Not appearing broken redirect, view history)

User:Digital Ownership Superact

2026-02-26T19:29:41Z

^&*:

The redirect is broken, (until its deleted by admin), here the [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact link]

User:Digital Ownership Superact

2026-02-26T19:28:20Z

^&*:

The redirect is broken, (until its deleted by admin), here the link

User talk:^&*

2026-02-25T21:40:41Z

^&*: /* Digital Ownership Superact */ Reply

{{Template:Welcome|realName=|name=^&*}}

-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 19:05, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

==Digital Ownership Superact==

hi,

I've just looked at the initial work you've been doing on your digital ownership superact page, and I just wanted to suggest that it might be something that's better to put in your userspace, since it feels more like a blog post by yourself than a typical article on the wiki.

You can create a page on your userspace by navigating to https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/[INSERT_PAGENAME_HERE] and creating the page there - reply to this and give me a ping if you need a hand moving the page [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:00, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Can you do that please, sorry I am new, but thank you, I thought this article wasn't allowed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:14, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::I don't how to edit my comments but what I meant is to move it to my userspace thank you very much [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:15, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::ah, I just tried moving it but it looks like your username's characters meant that the move page form was unhappy. I've manually moved the page to here: https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:37, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::Oops I duplicated it [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:37, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::Can you delete it please I am sorry [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::Nvm, I repurposed it as a link to the moved page [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:40, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you for your patience [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:40, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

User talk:^&*

2026-02-25T21:40:28Z

^&*: /* Digital Ownership Superact */ Reply

User:^&*

2026-02-25T21:40:10Z

^&*: Replaced content with "https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact My page"

[[User:^&*/Digital Ownership Superact|https://consumerrights.wiki/w/User:%5E%26*/Digital_Ownership_Superact]]

My page

User talk:^&*

2026-02-25T21:38:05Z

^&*: /* Digital Ownership Superact */ Reply

User talk:^&*

2026-02-25T21:37:47Z

^&*: /* Digital Ownership Superact */ Reply

User:^&*

2026-02-25T21:36:57Z

^&*: Confusion with article creation, I am not sure if its duplicated as its broken link when recreated the page?

'''DISCLAIMER''': This article is perphaps more opinionated and it '''may''' uses facts ''(relevant to the violation of consumer right) (however it affects, maybe, a certain community, this isn't owned by me, and neither is this issue relates to me; personally)''. And may contain grammatical errors.

It also proposes an hypothetical ''(collection of)'' acts; the intention of this ''(hypothetical; collection of)'' act is help improve for those who tinker on their '''BOUGHT''' devices ''(more information below)''

'''ADDENDUM''': The introduction of this paragraph is a piece of my perspective. However this may seems contradictory as stated ''"neither is this issue relates to me; personally"'', however its explain the motive behind the '''proposal act'''.
----<big>'''<u>The Motive</u>'''</big>

I switched from Apple to Android, since one of its [https://source.android.com/docs/core/architecture/bootloader/locking_unlocking core value of android is rooting]; as this decision was due to Apple's infame of banning the ability to root the bootloader (to only be jailbroken; even then around Wednesday 25th February; around the time of writing this article; this have gotten harder or more restrictive). I have gotten a Samsung device, ''(since it was android)'', however until few days, I realised, they blocked the bootloader recently in OneUI 8. [https://github.com/zenfyrdev/bootloader-unlock-wall-of-shame Nuked It] ''(Note: it does reference other companies doing this dirty trick)''

'''<big><u>So what?</u></big>'''

You may think that this issue isn't major. This I disagree ''(to an extent; it's not important to a level such as the genocide in Gaza as an example, but I digress)''. In a common argument, that '''YOUR''' device '''YOU''' meant to own. The ''"removal of unlocking the bootloader"''; such companies I will predict they will say "its for security reasons" but they and I know its there to just to control '''YOU'''. This is perphaps a weak argument as it opinionated. However it can be expanded upon such as "loss" of control to be reinforced.

Another argument is that its an '''PRIVACY CONCERN!''' For example, you not allowed to switch OS, if you wanted to. So this limits to the Stock OS, which is proprietary likely, as they pre-installed it. The companies can add malware or more specifically, a subset, which is spyware, such that they can serve ads ''(most likely)''. Short argument. I know this can be expanded however this will be keep short.

Final argument ''(for this subsection)'' is that this issue may not be affecting YOU but it is indirectly '''in the near future or now''', whether you like it or not. The fact they blocked the bootloader can be suggesting that this could further be '''re-inforced by other privacy-invasive acts such as Age Verification''', and since this benefits the company ''(liking data collection for M-O-NEY)'' and the politicians; this allows to sneakily add that abominable feature and takes advantage: by either having dark patterns in the privacy terms and services ''(such as purposely using [[wikipedia:Weasel_word|weasel words]])'', ''(most likely)'' people don't want to read and rather use the device ''(now)'' and because its proprietary software, this can go undetected for a while. Additionally, the Age Verification is worsen presented by this [https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=2gpNyrWgWbg video] ''(Note it contains swear words)''.

'''<big><u>So what do you propose?</u></big>'''

Before I say ''"I propose ..."'', '''I am not a legal expert nor have the experience in law''' therefore if the act was applied, this could do more harm than good ''(despite my intention of this act to help me and others in a privacy-focused way since too many acts are '''AGAINST privacy''', what about acts that '''GIVES privacy''').''

Additionally, this '''proposed act is of course, just an idea''', it can be '''debated''' to be in a better form, a fairer form or a form that goes against what it was originally meant, whatever it is, as long it forces manufacturers '''''(making hardware and/or software)''''' to allow '''FULLY-OFFLINE-BOOTLOADER-UNLOCKING option, with HARSH punishments ''(such as fines since they can pay and further reinforces the idea that the rich gets away but can be included with another punishments so long this a disincentive rather than a gimmick to these multi-billionaire companies)'''''

User talk:Keith

2026-02-25T21:35:15Z

^&*: /* Can you help moving my page */ Reply

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

:Thank you but should I create it in the user page just to clarify [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:34, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::Don't want to be nuisance that all when doing my article [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

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Digital Ownership Superact

'''DISCLAIMER''': This article is perphaps more opinionated and it '''may''' uses facts ''(relevant to the violation of consumer right) (however it affects, maybe, a certain community, this isn't owned by me, and neither is this issue relates to me; personally)''. And may contain grammatical errors.

It also proposes an hypothetical ''(collection of)'' acts; the intention of this ''(hypothetical; collection of)'' act is help improve for those who tinker on their '''BOUGHT''' devices ''(more information below)''

'''ADDENDUM''': The introduction of this paragraph is a piece of my perspective. However this may seems contradictory as stated ''"neither is this issue relates to me; personally"'', however its explain the motive behind the '''proposal act'''.
----<big>'''<u>The Motive</u>'''</big>

I switched from Apple to Android, since one of its [https://source.android.com/docs/core/architecture/bootloader/locking_unlocking core value of android is rooting]; as this decision was due to Apple's infame of banning the ability to root the bootloader (to only be jailbroken; even then around Wednesday 25th February; around the time of writing this article; this have gotten harder or more restrictive). I have gotten a Samsung device, ''(since it was android)'', however until few days, I realised, they blocked the bootloader recently in OneUI 8. [https://github.com/zenfyrdev/bootloader-unlock-wall-of-shame Nuked It] ''(Note: it does reference other companies doing this dirty trick)''

'''<big><u>So what?</u></big>'''

You may think that this issue isn't major. This I disagree ''(to an extent; it's not important to a level such as the genocide in Gaza as an example, but I digress)''. In a common argument, that '''YOUR''' device '''YOU''' meant to own. The ''"removal of unlocking the bootloader"''; such companies I will predict they will say "its for security reasons" but they and I know its there to just to control '''YOU'''. This is perphaps a weak argument as it opinionated. However it can be expanded upon such as "loss" of control to be reinforced.

Another argument is that its an '''PRIVACY CONCERN!''' For example, you not allowed to switch OS, if you wanted to. So this limits to the Stock OS, which is proprietary likely, as they pre-installed it. The companies can add malware or more specifically, a subset, which is spyware, such that they can serve ads ''(most likely)''. Short argument. I know this can be expanded however this will be keep short.

Final argument ''(for this subsection)'' is that this issue may not be affecting YOU but it is indirectly '''in the near future or now''', whether you like it or not. The fact they blocked the bootloader can be suggesting that this could further be '''re-inforced by other privacy-invasive acts such as Age Verification''', and since this benefits the company ''(liking data collection for M-O-NEY)'' and the politicians; this allows to sneakily add that abominable feature and takes advantage: by either having dark patterns in the privacy terms and services ''(such as purposely using [[wikipedia:Weasel_word|weasel words]])'', ''(most likely)'' people don't want to read and rather use the device ''(now)'' and because its proprietary software, this can go undetected for a while. Additionally, the Age Verification is worsen presented by this [https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=2gpNyrWgWbg video] ''(Note it contains swear words)''.

'''<big><u>So what do you propose?</u></big>'''

Before I say ''"I propose ..."'', '''I am not a legal expert nor have the experience in law''' therefore if the act was applied, this could do more harm than good ''(despite my intention of this act to help me and others in a privacy-focused way since too many acts are '''AGAINST privacy''', what about acts that '''GIVES privacy''').''

Additionally, this '''proposed act is of course, just an idea''', it can be '''debated''' to be in a better form, a fairer form or a form that goes against what it was originally meant, whatever it is, as long it forces manufacturers '''''(making hardware and/or software)''''' to allow '''FULLY-OFFLINE-BOOTLOADER-UNLOCKING option, with HARSH punishments ''(such as fines since they can pay and further reinforces the idea that the rich gets away but can be included with another punishments so long this a disincentive rather than a gimmick to these multi-billionaire companies)'''''

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[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 16 May 2025

Hello @[[User:Keith|Keith]],

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==
[[User:Keith|@Keith]] I've replied to your message at [[User talk:Travis]]. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. [[User:Travis|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis|talk]]) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

==Delegating tasks==

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

[[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

:I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).
:I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!
:There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I understand what you mean.
::Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.
::Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.
::PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? [[User:Janosabel|Janosabel]] ([[User talk:Janosabel|talk]]) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
::::Noted. It would be great if there was a regular draft function like in almost every software. (So this doesn’t happen to other new users after their first contribution.) Honestly, after you deleted it, it felt like my contribution is unwanted. [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::That's fair enough - we should add some more text to the article creation flow which explains how user space works, how to make a draft article, and what the policy for handling new articles is. If you'd like, I can get the text from the deleted article and put it on your user talk page or something so you can pick it up from where you left off? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:37, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Thank you that would be great. Looking forward to helping out! [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 18:32, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

==Question about re-use of sources for LiveView Article==

Hey Keith,

I noticed that for the [[LiveView Technologies AI Surveillance]] article, the same source has been re-used multiple times but shows up with a different citation number. Namely the citations number 6,32, and 33 are duplicates of 4 (LVT Use Cases in Law Enforcement), 14 is a duplicate of 5 (AI-Driven Mobile Security for Every Threat), 35 is a duplicate of 8 (Fusion Centers), and 21 is a duplicate of 20 (Mobile cameras deployed at Monroe County Office Building amid security concerns)

Also the links are missing the archive URLs in the references and some don't have author first and last name or date where they are available on the site or the date is incorrect.

I have a version of the article which shrinks the list of references (citation 33 is now a re-use of citation 4 for that section for example) and also has the relevant archive links and names and dates for each reference where possible.

Should I commit the change? I know that this article may be looked at be people very soon and I'd rather get your approval to change it and have you ready to roll-back or append to it in case you don't like it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 18:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

:I think I'm going to commit the change now, you're free to revert it or check it over in case I messed something up. In the event this article is mentioned at City hall on Thursday, I want it to be the best it can be.
:Thank you for helping with the wiki. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 19:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! and yeah, if you notice small formating issues (especially with an article louis has been working on :P ) just go ahead and make the change - that's the way of the wiki! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Small formatting issues or other non-obvious things like referencing problems* [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:41, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

==Proposal to add a section for organized meetings. (might be a better name for this)==

Hey Keith, I hope I'm not posting here again too early.

I thought about how every time Louis wants to generate interest for a particular issue with regards to getting viewers to organize, most of the time he has to do a video on it and these calls for organization when fighting for a particular issue (such as LVT tomorrow) are based in the United States.

I don't know if this already exists on the wiki (if it does, i'd like to know where it is), but do you think it would be a good idea to create a page specifically for posting the dates and instructions for showing up to demonstrations or hearings for the purposes of pushing back against anti-consumer or anti-privacy related issues? (This could be world-wide).

If someone from the UK for example wanted to organize a demonstration or have people speak at or attend an open council meeting, they would edit a row of a wiki table and list the time of the demonstration, an additional page describing the instructions or requirements to attend, and the issue that will be talked about (similar to rossmanngroup.com/clippyone).

I feel that with something like this, organizing both members of the public and members of the wiki regardless of country would be much easier and could provide a centralized and updated list of upcoming events based on user submission and moderator approval.

Let me know what you think about something like this when you're free to reply, I'd like to hear your thoughts in addition to anyone else who sees this and wants to talk about it. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 17:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

:It's definitely on the edge of what makes sense here, but I think that it's worth considering as it could well be useful. Might be something that will end up being done through FULU though in the end... maybe some kind of 'events noticeboard' a bit like the moderator notice could work? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::An "events noticeboard" in the way you describe it with moderation is exactly what I was thinking. You're right about how it should be done through FULU directly instead of the wiki, that's a better idea.
::Thanks for your input, I appreciate it. I was just wondering if it was a completely off-the-wall idea. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 23:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

==BT article==

Hello Keith, remember [[BT's Digital Voice service in the UK isn't good for the Elderly|this article]]? I pinged you 16 days ago but it seems that it didn’t work and I’ve forgotten about it since. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for the reminder! as we were both in agreement, I removed the article. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

==Privacy notice change==

Hello Keith, I was looking through things in the Mediawiki namespace to see how backend works, when I noticed the [[Mediawiki:Footer-privacy-notice]] page and it reminded me of [[Talk:Main Page#stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful|this on the main page]]. Can we change it quickly or does it need to be done backend? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:37, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

:We're going to do a policy update and a full review of that stuff when we update the backend tomorrow, so I'll make sure it's handled [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:01, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

==Protect Template:Welcome==

Hello, am contacting you directly as I think it is the best way to make this happen, but PLEASE protect Template:Welcome, I doubt we'll get vandalism on there but if we do and it sends a message with it we're done for... [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:Oh, also can you make the bot substitute (make the template not change on that page even after it gets updated) the templates for the sake of preservation of the page? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:08, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] for getting that first one!
::I think I get what you mean re. the substitution, but have no idea how to do it. Will look into it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks for bringing it up! I'm not sure about your second question though, so I'll leave that to Keith. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:26, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
::Second one is complicated, but the first one is the only important one. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

==Is it fine for me to get an alternate account?==

Edit: Have no clue why I'd need this in practice, so forget about it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:33, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

:no worries. In answer to your question, as long as we're notified, and there are no sockpuppetry shenanigans, then the answer is yes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:39, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

==Do you mind if I use AutoWikiBrowser on the CRW?==

Hello, I recently heard about a tool called [[wikipedia:WP:AWB|AutoWikiBrowser]] which is a semi-automated tool meant to help for repetitive smaller edits which I do a lot, do you mind if I use it and if you don't mind, should I use an alternate account for it (maybe with 'bot flag' even though it's not a bot so it doesn't show??) Edit: Also, the page to get this, [[Special:BotPasswords|BotPasswords]], lets you change grants for people/things with the password, so is it okay to let people/things with the password edit protected pages (for things like typo-fixing Project namespace pages)? It is risky if it is obtained.[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:23, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Happy for you to use that! sounds like a great tool. No strong opinions on whetehr you make a separate account for it [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:11, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::On the passwords front, I'm not sure how exactly that works. Does it give you the ability to use your own account via API? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:14, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, botpasswords is pretty much that. It lets you change permissions too, so I can give it only specific permissions for safety reasons. Also, as for the ‘seperate account thing’ Botpasswords (the one that I can use) gives me a new account anyway so there’s no reason for it, just me misunderstanding the usage. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::Cool, that sounds fine then! do you need me to do anything to get it set up? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:20, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::No, I’ll do it myself when I next get a chance on my PC (without any special perms as I don’t know why I’d need that!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Found Large Amount of 404 links for flock article==

Page link: [[Flock license plate readers]]

Hey Keith,

I was checking the sources in the above article and noticed that for a large section of it, the sources will lead directly to pages which either don't exist or result in 404. I really hope that this is just a problem on my end and isn't really the case. Below is the complete list of all sources I found that lead to 404'd pages. On the actual article page, I have also marked the following with the status of usurped for the time being.

{| class="wikitable"
|+
!Ref #

!Title

!Issue

!Archive state

!Link

|-
|20
|"How Vehicle Fingerprint Technology Works"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.flocksafety.com/resources/how-vehicle-fingerprint-technology-works
|-
|21
|
"License Plate Surveillance Company Can Now Capture Images of Vehicle Occupants' Faces"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.404media.co/flock-safety-can-now-capture-faces-of-vehicle-occupants/
|-
|
22
|
"Transforming Flock: Beyond License Plate Reading to Deliver Greater Insights for Solving Crime"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.flocksafety.com/newsroom/transforming-flock-beyond-license-plate-reading-to-deliver-greater-insights-for-solving-crime/
|-
|
24
|
"Atlas of Surveillance: Flock Safety"
|
goes to deeplinks blog, but no article
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/atlas-surveillance-flock-safety
|-
|
25
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|no archive
|

https://www.eff.org/cases/leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
|-
|
26
|
"Carpenter and the Evolving Fourth Amendment"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/american-criminal-law-review/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2023/01/60-1-Carpenter-and-the-Evolving-Fourth-Amendment.pdf
|-
|
27
|
"Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67689711/leaders-of-a-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department/
|-
|28
|
"Illinois Compiled Statutes - Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act"
|
404
|
no archive
|

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3541&ChapterID=53
|-
|
29
|
"RSA 236:130 Automated License Plate Recognition"
|
potential 404
|
no archive
|
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/236/236-130.htm
|-
|
32
|
"Surveillance firm provided ICE access to license plate reader systems"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jul/15/flock-safety-ice-license-plate-reader
|-
|
33
|
"How Flock Safety is Building a Surveillance Network for ICE"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/flock-safety-and-ice
|-
|
34
|
"ICE Surveillance of Immigrants and Advocates"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://americanoversight.org/investigation/ice-surveillance-of-immigrants-and-advocates/
|-
|
35
|
"ACLU Obtains Records Showing ICE Using License Plate Readers in Sanctuary Cities"
|
404
|
no archive
|
https://www.aclunc.org/news/aclu-obtains-records-showing-ice-using-license-plate-readers-sanctuary-cities
|-
|
36
|
"License Plate Readers Are Creating a US-Wide Database of More Than Just Cars"
|404
|no archive
|
https://www.vice.com/en/article/license-plate-readers-abortion-clinics-texas
|-
|37
|"Reproductive Surveillance in Post-Roe America"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.surveillancewatch.io/reproductive-surveillance-post-roe/
|-
|38
|"State Shield Laws and Reproductive Privacy"
|dead site
|no archive
|https://reproductiverights.gov/shield-laws/
|-
|39
|"Flock Safety Employees Caught Misusing Access to Surveillance Network"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.wired.com/story/flock-safety-employees-misuse-access/
|-
|40
|"Audit Reveals Hundreds of Flock Safety Privacy Violations"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.techdirt.com/2024/05/15/audit-reveals-hundreds-of-flock-safety-privacy-violations/
|-
|41
|"When License Plate Readers Become Tools for Stalking"
|404
|no archive
|https://apnews.com/article/license-plate-readers-police-misuse-stalking
|-
|42
|"Detroit Officer Fired for Using City Cameras to Track Ex-Wife"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2024/03/officer-fired-tracking-ex-wife/
|-
|43
|"Proactive Security Disclosure Q2 2025"
|404
|no archive
|https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/proactive-security-disclosure-q2-2025
|}
If you discover no issues (or the formatting of this table turns out horrible and breaks your talk page), disregard this and remove my topic from your page. And revert the change I made to the article where I marked the mentioned links as usurped.

Hopefully if these sites really lead to nothing and it's not just me, then the table makes it easy for you to do something. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:52, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:Had a bit of a dig and my suspicion, expecially since these references are all next to each other, is that there was probably some AI chicanery in the making of the article.
:Seem to be poitentially based on real pages, e.g. this one:
:https://www.eff.org/document/fourth-circuit-ruling-leaders-beautiful-struggle-v-baltimore-police-department
:is probably meant to be #25 instead of what is currently there
:I'd recommend sticking this table on the Flock talk page (if you haven't already) and letting people know they might need to look for what these links are meant to be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:19, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::I went ahead and added the table to the discussion tab. Should there be a notice at the top of the Flock page to make people aware? Or leave it as is? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 17:42, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Nevermind about the notice. The references were small enough to not need them for the most part. I started working on fixing some of them [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 18:30, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

==Oversighted something==

Hello, Keith! I just wanted to let you know I just gave myself the 'suppressor' user right as I oversighted what I think could be your IP address for privacy reasons. The info is at [[Special:Diff/805]]. If it isn't your IP address, feel free to revert what I just did. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:32, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I think it might have been (though very good chance it was some temp VPN/mobile IP address). In any case, thank you for spotting it! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 12:09, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==being able to edit Discussions==

hey so I just discovered I can edit discussions. not only mine but any1 elses. is this an oversight? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 20:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:Not sure - might just be how wikis are (given that edit logs are public, it's pretty easy to combat anyone trying to abuse it, same as with article vandalism)
:I'll page in @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] in case it's something that isn't how it should be [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
::Nah, that's MediaWiki. Nothing unusual there. Edit Source is actually the default way to edit discussions in MediaWiki, but the interface is changed by an extension (forgot the name), so that it shows as this instead of just the edit source button. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:37, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
:::dk y I didn't notice that b4. I've been on and off w contribs so thought smth changed since my last visit. anyhow thanks for clearing up the concern. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

=="fixing" recent changes==

since the introduction of [[Template:Welcome]], [[Special:RecentChanges]] has become a graveyard of User:Talks that I have to sift through in order to double check people's work. can we please block [[User:New_user_message]] from showing up on there?

edit: the bot bypasses the "Human (not bot) active filter
[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

:yeah, that's a localsettings.php part that Keith can pass on to Unto. setting $wgNewUserSuppressRC to true should work. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:50, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::as a temp fix, [https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&namespace=3&invert=1&limit=100&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2 this] should work [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:54, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
:::legend. thank you [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Hi @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] - took a bit of a break over the holidays so sorry for not replying. I'll contact Unto and see if he can take a look [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:49, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::any update? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 17:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I've put Unto on it but no update. I'll chase him [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:30, 13 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::::Darth Sidious says "do it". [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:36, 14 January 2026 (UTC)

==*sigh*==

Where are the projects (again)? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:04, 19 January 2026 (UTC)

:deja vu? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:42, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::[[Consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard#*sigh*|oh]] [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:48, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::LOL, made me chuckle seeing your replies! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:55, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
::::hey as a wise man once said "if you are good at something, never do it for free". that'll be $5 my friend [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:05, 19 January 2026 (UTC)
:::::yeah, replied on the noticeboard, but just adding here - I think an update must have broken it. have contacted Unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:07, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] @[[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] Fixed! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

==sorry for the ping==

I used the intro text from [[Texas Attorney General sues multiple TV makers over ACR user data collection]] to add to the Incidents section for each of the mentioned companies. In the edit summary I linked you. Ik that @ and [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:33, 21 January 2026 (UTC) ping the user but idk abt linking. regardless sorry abt the pings

:th happened here? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 22:34, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::No worries! I don't think @s in edit summaries cause pings anyway [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:37, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

==alternative to Discord==

I don't use Discord. many members of the wiki don't use Discord. can't talk on their behalf but I can mine. if there was a Matrix or heck Signal gc (lol), I'd love to be a part of it. are there any plans for migration off Discord or perhaps providing w an alternative they'd be more comfortable with? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:32, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:We're hoping to get a Zulip bridge with the Discord in the next couple of months. This would allow people to essentially join the Discord without joining the Discord, with the exception of a couple of features like bot commands and voice channels. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:19, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
::lovely looking forward to it [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

== Can you help moving my page ==

Sorry I said this 3 times or more, I got confused, can you move please, I moved it in wrong place, may I ask should I ask here instead of the pages I placed [[User:^&*|^&*]] ([[User talk:^&*|talk]]) 21:23, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

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