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==Open tasks==

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==Idea==

Hello everyone, this is more of a general question than one for mods but the [[Template:StubNotice|Stub template]], [[Template:Incomplete|Incomplete template]], [[Template:ToneWarning|Tone template]] and [[Template:SloppyAI|SloppyAI template]] all have the same layout code (with the box being coloured on the incomplete and sloppyai template being the only exception, but codewise is the same). I'm wondering if people would think it is a good idea if I replicate this code for its own template and replace all the code there with just the template. It would be much easier to work on, but it may be harder to add new special things on without changing the template used by it.

'''TL;DR''' is making a template to use the code used from the stub templates just to make it easier to make new ones or change existing ones okay? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:07, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

:That could be a good idea, yeah. Honestly if you're comfortable editing that kind of stuff, anything you could do to make the notices smaller and less obtrusive would be appreciated as well. I'm happy to help with text editing and stuff on them but I'm a bit useless if I have to mess around with css [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:40, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
::Making them smaller might require a complete restructure for some, but maybe with smaller text it is fine? I'd need to test it out to see if it doesn't make it hard to read. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], just wondering what you think of [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Sandbox&oldid=30697 these two variants] of the incomplete tag and if the idea works at all for making them smaller. I haven't changed div tags at all, but it is just a simple thing to make it smaller. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:26, 19 November 2025 (UTC)
:::I think making them smaller will be more to do with reducing their title text size, and maybe boldness, to be less in-your-face (but still obvious. perhaps more like the 'revision as of...' box you can see if you click the link to the variants you just posted [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:54, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::::Ah I don't know much about how to do CSS, and therefore can't do that, but I could just try looking at some resources online to figure it out like how I learned HTML. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:17, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] Had another go at it [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Sandbox&oldid=30772 here] and although it definitely isn't perfect, I just want to know what you think of it before I continue. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:50, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::Obviously the spacing needs to come in a bit from the side, but it's certainly closer to what we want! I think changing 'incomplete' to 'verification concerns' or something might make sense (since that's what it's usually used for) [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:32, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Just my 2 cents... I like that it says incomplete and has fields to specify. I find myself using it for things beyond verification, such as how to improve the language, structure, etc. Basically I've been using it as a catch-all, which I know is against what it's intended for, but I've also noticed some users actually commit to those specific changes because it shows how an article could be improved with small efforts.
:::::::I have not been active lately, so I'm not completely certain what improvements @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] has been making to the other templates. But I think going broad could be good, while having input fields for mods or whoever to specify the issues. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 19:25, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::I haven't made any other changes to templates except for deleting a couple, but I have to agree that the incomplete template is often used for what it isn't meant to be used for, but does make sense why; I thought for a while that it was just for articles that are better than stubs, but still need to be marked. It isn't clear by nature as it currently is on what it does unless you read the read more bit. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] @[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Sandbox&oldid=30921 The latest one I did] hasn't really done much, but I'd say it is an improvement over the last one. I'm trying to figure out how to make text from the issue params not go right on the border right now, as that really sabotages accessibility. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:42, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

==Tone appeal - Smartwool==

Hi, since the [[Smartwool adds forced arbitration to EULA|Smartwool EULA incident]] is on "Highlighted Article", I would like to ask if there's any more tone issues; and if there are, some guidance/assistance on fixing them. Thank you for your time! [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 04:09, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

:After a quick read, tone seems okay, but if you do want to help out, I think expanding it is a great step forward, as it is currently quite small. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:12, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
::I guess the main thing it's missing are some 'public response' bits going over public/commentator reaction to it happening [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:35, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
:::I was tired at the time I posted this, and didn't realize Keith had removed said notice 6 minutes after my edit asking for it, so the pointers are appreciated.
:::I remember searching a bit for public reaction, and mostly got reddit posts pointing back to the Rossmann video. Maybe someday I'll know what search terms to punch into Duckduckgo. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 15:20, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
::::If that is what comes up, it's more likely there are no sources imo and was only talked about by King Louis. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:22, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

==Approve deletion request==

Regarding my article on Bahnhof, I have all the emails mentioned in the article, and I can share them with you. I also have other direct communications with the CEO (who is also the media contact). I did not mention those in the article to avoid making it personal.

However, I have no idea whether customers are facing the same treatment or just me, and I did not see any media reporting on it, therefore I can not get you a confirmation from a second source.

I published this article as consumer advocacy and to start documenting this company's abuse of their own terms of services.

I am sorry my article did not meet your standards. I could not find how to delete it, so please go ahead and delete it from your site. [[User:Se|Se]] ([[User talk:Se|talk]]) 09:40, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, I've deleted it, but just wanted to let you know that if you do find good sources, you're welcome to recreate the article or ask me to undelete it for you to get the version as of when it was deleted. Also, most articles I see get deleted for similar reasons, so you're not alone. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:13, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
:I don't think there's any need to delete the article as it is - the content which is currently there is supported by the corren article. I think what @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] was referring to in their edit notice was specifically the sentence that he removed? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
::Ok nvm I was getting confused and believed that this was referring to this article: [[Stångåstaden kickbacks and hidden rent]] which also mentions bahnhof [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:15, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
:::having reviewed the actual article this was about, I'd tend to agree with the deletion for now. If @[[User:Se|Se]] can get this story in front of news orgs or major blogs or similar who can confirm it and back it up and who treat it as a story worth publishing, then we can reconsider but for now it's more of a user report, and this wiki is not intended to be the first port of call for reporting things - instead we aim to be a collection of well-documented articles that can hold up to a bit of outside scrutiny. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:21, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

==Notice for mods==

@[[User:Keith|Keith]] @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] @[[User:UntoK|UntoK]] I've changed lots of links, including the ones in the sidebar, because there seems to be a backend update changing the name for CRW talk pages. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:30, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:Please change this yourself next time if you don't mind, as it's been a bit of a pain going through the links throughout the last 25 minutes! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::wait, that shouldn't have happened... The projects namespace was supposed to be a new empty one to use for projects, not a name-change of an existing namespace? I'll talk to Unto about it and see what happened [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much for noticing and making things work again! This seems to have been a bug that caused some cursed mediawiki spaghetti interactions. should hopefully have it resolved shortly, and then we'll revert all changes. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:07, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::Should we display a [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] while it's happening? Because I got very confused by this and ended up checking the logs to see if it was accidentally moved here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:19, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::Ok, Unto's sorted the bug, and I think between us we've un-changed the links. Sorry about all this, and the double reversion on the Incomplete page! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:43, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::It's okay. I've also got some screenshots of me witnessing what's happening, I'll upload them now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:44, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::How did it affect the Oneplus page GoInfo was working on? that seems doubly weird if it did anything there [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::They said this just now:
::::::::<blockquote>It complained my "stashed changes" didn't exist, and whenever I went back to the page, those changes appeared again. Had to copy all the changes, discard the edit, and reformat the article again for it to be accepted. Seems all good now. Timing's a Biatch sometimes ay
::::::::</blockquote>
::::::::That seems very unusual. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Ok, hopefully I think that should just be what happened as a result of an edit being in progress while Unto pushed the change, rather than anything to do with the changes themselves. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:49, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Ah okay. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:49, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::You might not be able to change this, but [[Special:NewPages]] and my watchlist has been completely cleared. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:00, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::Having a look, it looks like watchlist and also the [[Special:RecentChanges]] are cut off as of two days ago. Also the NewUserMessage actions are showing up there despite the human(not bot) filter being auto-enabled. I have no idea why this might be the case but I'll pass it on to unto [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:11, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Also did you get what you wanted to do done? Or did you not get the project namespace finished? Doesn't look like it but just curious lol [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:13, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Looks like you did! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:17, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::::::haven't put the projects in the projects namespace yet, will be doing that in the next day or so, but I think things are technically working as they should [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 11:21, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::::::hey there, not sure I'm allowed to post here but here's what happened exactly :
::::::::* created my account
::::::::* created new "product" page for OnePlus AI
::::::::* while creating it, I got kicked out (it said my session was expired). Checked and I was indeed logged out after next reload of the page
::::::::* the product page was created anyway
::::::::* went to edit the product page to add all the descriptions and contents, wrote the whole article in one go
::::::::* when trying to publish, I got "non-existing stashed changes <uuid>" or something similiar, couldn't publish, couldn't go to "edit source".
::::::::* logged out, back in, the page was still empty
::::::::* when I went back to the "edit" page, the wiki page re-added my last changes and I basically lost no work on it
::::::::* still couldn't publish for the same error
::::::::* what I had to do was copy the whole contents, cancel the edit, go back to the product page and create a new edit (it asked if I wanted to discard my previous changes or keep them, I discarded), re-formatted the whole article, and it was then golden
::::::::I'm assuming my edit session got deleted on the server-side somehow but was still existing on my client-side and it got desynced that way. Don't think there's much you need to do regarding that issue, but if you're working on the backend, I would freeze all edits to avoid that in the future [[User:GOinfo|GOinfo]] ([[User talk:GOinfo|talk]]) 11:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

User:GOinfo

2025-11-30T10:59:50Z

GOinfo: Created page with "Just a guy that loves FOSS stuff and strives to rid the world of subscriptions and cloud-first/cloud-only products."

Just a guy that loves FOSS stuff and strives to rid the world of subscriptions and cloud-first/cloud-only products.

Oneplus AI tools / Mindspace

2025-11-30T10:54:00Z

GOinfo: Removed extra paragraph, added release year

{{ProductCargo
|Company=OnePlus
|InProduction=Yes
|Category=AI
|Website=https://www.oneplus.com/global/oneplus-ai
|Description=With the launch of Android 16, OnePlus pushed their AI tools on every smartphone I own. They are very hard to disable for anyone non tech-savvy.
|ReleaseYear=2025}}

With the launch of Android 16, OnePlus pushed their AI tools on every smartphone I own. They are very hard to disable for anyone non tech-savvy.
==Consumer-impact summary==
{{Ph-C-CIS}}

==Incidents==
{{Ph-C-Inc}}
This is a list of all consumer-protection incidents related to this product. Any incidents not mentioned here can be found in the [[:Category:{{PAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}} category]].

===Example incident one (''date'')===
{{Main|link to the main CR Wiki article}}
===OnePlus AI===
OnePlus AI is a set of tools that is supposed to help you search more intuitively, be more productive, help you with your daily tasks, etc.

It includes a few apps:

*AI VoiceScribe: live translations
*AI Writer: text generation
*AI Call Assistant: in-call translation
*AI Translation: live, conversation, image, screen translations
*AI Notes: summarization, cleaning up, formatting, text generation, ...
*AI Perfect Shot: helps you correct small imperfection on your photos (closed eyes, missing smile, ...)
*AI Unblur: self-explainatory
*AI Reflection Eraser: self-explainatory
*AI Eraser: self-explainatory
*AI Detail Boost: image sharpening and enhancement
*AI Clear Face: mix of everything to get your faces unblurred, more detailed, ...
*AI Reframe: Automatic reframing of the picture

While those features may be useful for some, the fact they were forced installed and opt-out after the fact is an issue.

Moreover, it can be tricky to disable them.

==The issue with disabling==
Besides the fact it's opt-out and installed/enabled by default, the issue arises when you try to disable a few of the features : you are almost forced into accepting their privacy policy before having access to the disable button.

I have made a little video here that will demonstrate what I'm talking about : https://youtube.com/shorts/EaGJsftd3fc

==Actually disabling AI Writer==
The only way I found to disable it once and for all was to delete the app via ADB.
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.oplus.aiwriter
This will only disable AI Writer, which is the one that was still displaying for me after disabling in the settings.

===OnePlus AI===
Oneplus AI tools / Mindspace
Basic Information
Release Year
Product Type AI
In Production Yes
Official Website https://www.oneplus.com/global/oneplus-ai

OnePlus AI is a set of tools that is supposed to help you search more intuitively, be more productive, help you with your daily tasks, etc.

It includes a few apps:

*AI VoiceScribe: live translations
*AI Writer: text generation
*AI Call Assistant: in-call translation
*AI Translation: live, conversation, image, screen translations
*AI Notes: summarization, cleaning up, formatting, text generation, ...
*AI Perfect Shot: helps you correct small imperfection on your photos (closed eyes, missing smile, ...)
*AI Unblur: self-explainatory
*AI Reflection Eraser: self-explainatory
*AI Eraser: self-explainatory
*AI Detail Boost: image sharpening and enhancement
*AI Clear Face: mix of everything to get your faces unblurred, more detailed, ...
*AI Reframe: Automatic reframing of the picture

While those features may be useful for some, the fact they were forced installed and opt-out after the fact is an issue.

Moreover, it can be tricky to disable them.

====The issue with disabling====
Besides the fact it's opt-out and installed/enabled by default, the issue arises when you try to disable a few of the features : you are almost forced into accepting their privacy policy before having access to the disable button.

I have made a little video here that will demonstrate what I'm talking about : https://youtube.com/shorts/EaGJsftd3fc

====Actually disabling AI Writer====
The only way I found to disable it once and for all was to delete the app via ADB.
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.oplus.aiwriter
This will only disable AI Writer, which is the one that was still displaying for me after disabling in the settings.

==See also==
{{Ph-C-SA}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:{{PAGENAME}}]]

User talk:GOinfo

2025-11-30T10:46:17Z

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-- [[User:New user message|New user message]] ([[User talk:New user message|talk]]) 10:05, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

==Notice==

Hi, I just wanted to say we've just had issues with our backend, so some things may look unusual while we're fixing it. I say that because the article you just made [[Oneplus AI tools / Mindspace]], seems to have been affected by it as there should be more information given to you that you can fill out. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

:I'm filling it out now but the session keeps crashing. I'll try again, no worries, thanks for the heads up and happy to know you already know the issue! [[User:GOinfo|GOinfo]] ([[User talk:GOinfo|talk]]) 10:38, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::Seems like it was just fixed after I posted it, but if you're still having issues might be something for @[[User:Keith|Keith]] to look at. It was just found out after you made this article, so the timing couldn't have been better for you to make it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:40, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::It complained my "stashed changes" didn't exist, and whenever I went back to the page, those changes appeared again.
:::Had to copy all the changes, discard the edit, and reformat the article again for it to be accepted.
:::Seems all good now.
:::Timing's a Biatch sometimes ay [[User:GOinfo|GOinfo]] ([[User talk:GOinfo|talk]]) 10:45, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
::::I'll add what should have been added now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 10:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
:::Hmm seems like it borked the ProductCargo somehow. Will try to fix it [[User:GOinfo|GOinfo]] ([[User talk:GOinfo|talk]]) 10:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

User talk:GOinfo

2025-11-30T10:45:14Z

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Oneplus AI tools / Mindspace

2025-11-30T10:43:55Z

GOinfo: Description of the issue and how to disable

User talk:GOinfo

2025-11-30T10:38:58Z

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Oneplus AI tools / Mindspace

2025-11-30T10:12:44Z

GOinfo: Created page with "{{ProductCargo |Company=OnePlus |InProduction=Yes |Category=AI |Website=https://www.oneplus.com/global/oneplus-ai |Description=With the launch of Android 16, OnePlus pushed their AI tools on every smartphone I own. They are very hard to disable for anyone non tech-savvy. }}"