Talk:Common Questions, Arguments, & Responses when discussing Flock Surveillance

2025-12-03T21:19:44Z

Jdwx: /* Kyllo v. United States */ new section

==Can this be generalised?==

Most of this does not seem to be specific to the Flock brand. We have numerous other and potentionally even more problematic surveillance camera vendors like [[Hikvision]] that this applies to.

It also seems like it would require expanding the scope of the Wiki to encompass all forms of surveillance captitalism, which I guess would make sense, since the data from both sources ultimately ends up in the same two places (big-tech/advertising and law enforcement/espionage).

Moreover, this is unfortunately a world-wide issue. Yet the way this article is structured is very US-centric right now.

For instance, London has long been at the forefront of video surveillance, and the heads of German federal states recently also announced their intent to [https://www.heise.de/en/news/Surveillance-State-Premiers-Push-for-Swift-Data-Retention-10926054.html significantly expand AI surveillance in the public space] and to increase data retention (web usage data and location data) despite this being ruled illegal by the European court of justice in the past. [[User:MrTuttle|MrTuttle]] ([[User talk:MrTuttle|talk]]) 20:23, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

:This article is only here temporarily as Louis sometimes creates an article of info related to the council meetings he goes to. It will be moved/deleted soon. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 03:51, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
::I'm thinking of if, when King Louis Rossmann does this, he can add it to CRW or his own namespace? It doesn't exactly hurt to be here, but it is a bit unusual being here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:02, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
:::Yeah that's what Keith did the last time. I guess he hasn't gotten around to it this time yet. Apparently Louis is planning to make a separate smaller wiki specifically for Flock and these types of articles [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 15:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

== Kyllo v. United States ==

It may be appropriate to mention Kyllo v. United States on this page. ( https://www.oyez.org/cases/2000/99-8508 )

Like Katz, it's a bedrock case from before the era of ALPRs. It determined that the police couldn't use a thermal imaging camera to surveil inside a home without a warrant. It is frequently cited (including in Carpenter & Jones) as establishing the precedent that police can't use technology to sidestep the Fourth Amendment. The police basically said "we didn't go inside the house, so it wasn't a search" and the Supreme Court wasn't buying it. It was also important to the case that the technology used wasn't in general public use. [[User:Jdwx|Jdwx]] ([[User talk:Jdwx|talk]]) 21:19, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

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