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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;SwervingLemon: Reply&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I cannot deny, the &amp;quot;dark patterns&amp;quot; section definitely feels a bit inflammatory, though I&#039;m curious to know if other seconds are a bit inflammatory [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 15:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Agree, I added the ToneWarning because the whole page seemed &#039;off&#039; -Keith&lt;br /&gt;
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:Any ideas on how to tone the rest of the page down? I know we&#039;d need to get the attention of the &amp;quot;dark patterns&amp;quot; author to know the intent before we clean that section up. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 16:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:As an aside - the dark pattern is no longer as much a problem as latest ISO images of the installation media don&#039;t even allow for creating a local account, &#039;&#039;even without internet access&#039;&#039;, and will happily inform you that you need to connect to the internet to create or link your MicroSoft account.&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s now necessary to open a powershell window and execute a command to skip the Out-Of-Box-Experience, sequence-breaking the onboarding process and restart the installer in order to create a local account without having to log into a microsoft account &#039;&#039;first&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
:Initially, you could install windows and a local account was a freely selectable choice. After 22, you had to start the installer with no internet availability and it would then offer you the choice of a local account, albeit hidden behind a couple of clicks. Now, it&#039;s not even an option without some hackery.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think I have some old ISO images around that I could try, to better demonstrate the dark pattern that &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; present, though. [[User:SwervingLemon|SwervingLemon]] ([[User talk:SwervingLemon|talk]]) 21:13, 29 May 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I reached out to Ixus directly by e-mail. Hoping to get some more information, as IMO the issue isn&#039;t tone but a lack of details. [[User:Skatche|Skatche]] ([[User talk:Skatche|talk]]) 00:19, 27 January 2025 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dark patterns section==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it even worth keeping tbh, I was looking for sources and its a barely talked about topic, could just be worth scrapping altogether even after I fixed some of the language.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Perhaps remove most of the text from this page, and spin it out as a stub incident page?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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