Deep Cycle Systems - Revision history

Sojourna: /* Defamation lawsuit against YouTuber */

2026-04-28T04:44:35Z

Defamation lawsuit against YouTuber

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	===Defamation lawsuit against YouTuber===		===Defamation lawsuit against YouTuber===
	{{Main\|DCS sues small YouTuber for accurate ~~product~~ review ~~showing battery issues & misleading warranty~~}}		{{Main\|DCS sues small YouTuber for accurate review}}

	On 2 May 2024, DCS filed a defamation lawsuit against Stephan Fischer, the creator of AllOffroad 4x4 Adventures TV, in the District Court of Queensland. Fischer had published video reviews between August & December 2023 documenting battery degradation & warranty discrepancies.<ref name="judgment" /> The District Court ruled against DCS on 11 March 2025, finding that DCS was not an "excluded corporation" under section 9 of the ''Defamation Act 2005'' (Qld) & therefore had no standing to sue for defamation. The court found DCS failed on both the employee count test & the associated entity test, citing financial intermingling between DCS & Energy Tech Electronics.<ref name="judgment" />		On 2 May 2024, DCS filed a defamation lawsuit against Stephan Fischer, the creator of AllOffroad 4x4 Adventures TV, in the District Court of Queensland. Fischer had published video reviews between August & December 2023 documenting battery degradation & warranty discrepancies.<ref name="judgment" /> The District Court ruled against DCS on 11 March 2025, finding that DCS was not an "excluded corporation" under section 9 of the ''Defamation Act 2005'' (Qld) & therefore had no standing to sue for defamation. The court found DCS failed on both the employee count test & the associated entity test, citing financial intermingling between DCS & Energy Tech Electronics.<ref name="judgment" />

Sojourna: /* Hidden warranty policy update */

2026-04-28T03:40:02Z

Hidden warranty policy update

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	===Hidden warranty policy update===		===Hidden warranty policy update===
	DCS's warranty page claims a "last updated" date of June 2021, but National Library of Australia web archives show the terms changed between March & November 2023. The March 2023 policy set the defective battery threshold at 80% of rated capacity for all installations. By November 2023, a new clause reduced the threshold to 70% for engine bay installations, weakening protections for those customers without updating the displayed policy date.<ref name="warranty-mar">{{Cite web \|title=DCS Warranty, Shipping & Return Policies \|url=https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|website=DCS \|url-status=dead \|archive-url=https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|archive-date=9 Mar 2023}}</ref><ref name="warranty-nov">{{Cite web \|title=DCS Warranty, Shipping & Return Policies \|url=https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|website=DCS \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|archive-date=7 Nov 2023}}</ref>		DCS's warranty page claims a "last updated" date of June 2021, but National Library of Australia web archives show the terms changed between March and November 2023. The March 2023 policy set the defective battery threshold at 80% of rated capacity for all installations. By November 2023, a new clause reduced the threshold to 70% for engine bay installations, weakening protections for those customers without updating the displayed policy date.<ref name="warranty-mar">{{Cite web \|title=DCS Warranty, Shipping & Return Policies \|url=https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|website=DCS \|url-status=dead \|archive-url=https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|archive-date=9 Mar 2023}}</ref><ref name="warranty-nov">{{Cite web \|title=DCS Warranty, Shipping & Return Policies \|url=https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|website=DCS \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ \|archive-date=7 Nov 2023}}</ref>

	===Suspected fake positive reviews===		===Suspected fake positive reviews===

Louis: rewrote the whole thing. replaced all rossmann video citations with primary sources (court judgment, parliamentary submission, carexpert, choice). restructured as proper company page with brief incident summaries and main links per keith's talk page suggestion. added arena test data, productreview fake review warning, parliamentary cyberbullying submission, warranty policy change details from nla archives. removed speculative wayback machine section, fixed tone

2026-03-29T04:35:06Z

rewrote the whole thing. replaced all rossmann video citations with primary sources (court judgment, parliamentary submission, carexpert, choice). restructured as proper company page with brief incident summaries and main links per keith's talk page suggestion. added arena test data, productreview fake review warning, parliamentary cyberbullying submission, warranty policy change details from nla archives. removed speculative wayback machine section, fixed tone

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Sojourna: /* Lawsuit against reviews */

2026-02-26T02:53:42Z

Lawsuit against reviews

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	===Lawsuit against reviews===		===Lawsuit against reviews===
	{{Main\|DCS sues ~~Small~~ YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty}}		{{Main\|DCS sues small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty}}

	On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review of DCS's 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also created a follow-up video regarding DCS's questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=d37BG0O0mFk \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>.		On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review of DCS's 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also created a follow-up video regarding DCS's questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=d37BG0O0mFk \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>.

	AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=23 Jul 2024 \|title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty \|url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=_QNMVMlx48E \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>{{Citation needed\|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but this is not mentioned in their warranty policy {{~~Citation needed~~}}.		AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=23 Jul 2024 \|title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty \|url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 \|website=[[YouTube]] \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=_QNMVMlx48E \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>{{Citation needed\|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but this is not mentioned in their warranty policy.{{CitationNeeded}}

	===Hidden warranty policy update===		===Hidden warranty policy update===

Sojourna: /* Incidents */ Clean-up.

2026-02-26T02:51:09Z

Incidents: Clean-up.

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	===Lawsuit against reviews===		===Lawsuit against reviews===
	{{~~Hatnote~~\|~~Main article: [[~~DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}}		{{Main\|DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty}}

	On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review of DCS's 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also created a follow-up video regarding DCS's questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=d37BG0O0mFk \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>.		On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review of DCS's 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also created a follow-up video regarding DCS's questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=d37BG0O0mFk \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>.

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2026-02-23T03:52:03Z

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	*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.		*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.

	This has been the case since November 7, 2023, according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service partnered with the National Library of Australia and other organizations.<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref> However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>.		This has been the case since November 7, 2023, according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service partnered with the National Library of Australia and other organizations.<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ ([http://web.archive.org/web/20260216034910/https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ Archived])</ref> However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ ([http://web.archive.org/web/20251018082234/https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ Archived])</ref>.

	The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9, 2023, are affected by:		The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9, 2023, are affected by:

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2026-02-16T03:49:48Z

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AnotherConsumerRightsPerson at 15:00, 25 January 2026

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	{{Incomplete\| Issue 1= There are several comments pointing out spots that need some improvement.\|Issue 2=Other than those this article may need some rework to fit the [[Project:Sample/Company\|company page template]]}}{{ToneWarning}}{{Hatnote\|This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].~~}}{{InfoboxCompany~~		{{Incomplete\| Issue 1= There are several comments pointing out spots that need some improvement.\|Issue 2=Other than those this article may need some rework to fit the [[Project:Sample/Company\|company page template]]}}{{ToneWarning}}{{Hatnote\|This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].}}
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2026-01-25T14:15:02Z

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	{{Incomplete\| Issue 1= There are several comments pointing out spots that need some improvement.\|Issue 2=Other than those this article may need some rework to fit the [[Project:Sample/Company\|company page template]]}}{{ToneWarning}}{{Hatnote\|This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].}}{{InfoboxCompany		{{Incomplete\| Issue 1= There are several comments pointing out spots that need some improvement.\|Issue 2=Other than those this article may need some rework to fit the [[Project:Sample/Company\|company page template]]}}{{ToneWarning}}{{Hatnote\|This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].}}{{InfoboxCompany
	~~\| Name = Deep Cycle Systems~~		}}
	\| ~~Type~~ = ~~Private~~		{{CompanyCargo
	\| Founded = 2015		\|Description=
	\| Industry = ~~Lithium~~ Batteries		\|Founded=2015
	\| ~~Official~~ Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/		\|Industry=Batteries
	~~\| Logo = DeepCycleSystems.png~~		\|Logo=DeepCycleSystems.png
	}}'''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.<!-- Do we have to cite sources for the Infobox?		\|ParentCompany=
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			\|Website=https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/
			}}
			'''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.<!-- Do we have to cite sources for the Infobox?
	Reply: No, but if you can find a Wikipedia link for the company, do add it for the name (as seen on other pages). ~Shingo -->		Reply: No, but if you can find a Wikipedia link for the company, do add it for the name (as seen on other pages). ~Shingo -->

ClippyFellow47: Grammar edits to improve tone.

2025-12-13T22:11:50Z

Grammar edits to improve tone.

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	==Claims==		==Claims==
	DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marine ones such as boats.<sub>[[Project:Verifiability\|Better citation needed]]</sub><ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/</ref>		DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marine ones such as boats.<sub>[[Project:Verifiability\|Better citation needed]]</sub><ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/ ([http://web.archive.org/web/20251123010824/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/ Archived])</ref>

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	{{Hatnote\|Main article: [[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}}		{{Hatnote\|Main article: [[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}}

	On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review of DCS's 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also created a follow-up video regarding DCS's questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube}}</ref>.		On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review of DCS's 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also created a follow-up video regarding DCS's questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=d37BG0O0mFk \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>.

	AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=23 Jul 2024 \|title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty \|url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 \|website=YouTube}}</ref>{{Citation needed\|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but this is not mentioned in their warranty policy {{Citation needed}}.		AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=23 Jul 2024 \|title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty \|url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=_QNMVMlx48E \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>{{Citation needed\|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but this is not mentioned in their warranty policy {{Citation needed}}.

	===Hidden warranty policy update===		===Hidden warranty policy update===
	DCS's warranty policy claims that:<ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref><!-- It says "fails to deliver less than X% of it's rated capacity", which is confusing. -->		DCS's warranty policy claims that:<ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ ([http://web.archive.org/web/20251209122303/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/ Archived])</ref><!-- It says "fails to deliver less than X% of it's rated capacity", which is confusing. -->

	*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of their rated capacity are covered.		*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of their rated capacity are covered.
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	===Cyberbullying accusations against Louis Rossmann===		===Cyberbullying accusations against Louis Rossmann===
	On the 1st of August 2024, DCS filed a complaint to the Australian government against Louis Rossmann claiming that they are the target of an "orchestrated cyberbullying attack" by Rossmann and his follower base, with the goal being "to discredit the quality of our products," leading to "millions of dollars" of damage to the company, and demanded that Rossmann be "held accountable" for his actions. DCS claimed that Rossmann's accusations against them are "based on one person's opinion," and involved misinformation and disinformation, which is incorrect, because the accusations are backed up by evidence from various sources. For example, the claim about the rapid deterioration of battery capacity is based on research conducted by ITP Renewables; the report of this research is available on the Australian Renewable Energy Agency's website.<ref>{{Cite web \|date=7 June 2022 \|title=Public Report 12 (Final Report) Lithium-ion Battery Testing \|url=https://arena.gov.au/assets/2018/05/lithium-ion-battery-testing-public-report-12.pdf \|website=Australian Renewable Energy Agency}}</ref> Rossmann's claim about warranty fraud is supported by an archived page from their own website, which proves that they falsified their warranty information.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /><ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossman \|first=Louis \|date=15 March 2025 \|title=DCS reports me to Australian government for cyberbullying \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfNbxmT3B4 \|website=YouTube}}</ref>		On the 1st of August 2024, DCS filed a complaint to the Australian government against Louis Rossmann claiming that they are the target of an "orchestrated cyberbullying attack" by Rossmann and his follower base, with the goal being "to discredit the quality of our products," leading to "millions of dollars" of damage to the company, and demanded that Rossmann be "held accountable" for his actions. DCS claimed that Rossmann's accusations against them are "based on one person's opinion," and involved misinformation and disinformation, which is incorrect, because the accusations are backed up by evidence from various sources. For example, the claim about the rapid deterioration of battery capacity is based on research conducted by ITP Renewables; the report of this research is available on the Australian Renewable Energy Agency's website.<ref>{{Cite web \|date=7 June 2022 \|title=Public Report 12 (Final Report) Lithium-ion Battery Testing \|url=https://arena.gov.au/assets/2018/05/lithium-ion-battery-testing-public-report-12.pdf \|website=Australian Renewable Energy Agency \|url-status=live \|archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20251209000046/https://arena.gov.au/assets/2018/05/lithium-ion-battery-testing-public-report-12.pdf \|archive-date=9 Dec 2025}}</ref> Rossmann's claim about warranty fraud is supported by an archived page from their own website, which proves that they falsified their warranty information.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /><ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossman \|first=Louis \|date=15 March 2025 \|title=DCS reports me to Australian government for cyberbullying \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfNbxmT3B4 \|website=YouTube \|url-status=live \|archive-url=https://preservetube.com/watch?v=DxfNbxmT3B4 \|archive-date=16 Feb 2026}}</ref>

	===Suspected fake positive reviews===		===Suspected fake positive reviews===
	DCS has been suspected by productreview.com.au of fabricating positive reviews.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/deep-cycle-systems-dcs</ref>		DCS has been suspected by productreview.com.au of fabricating positive reviews.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/deep-cycle-systems-dcs ([http://web.archive.org/web/20251214235325/https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/deep-cycle-systems-dcs Archived])</ref>

	==Safety issues==		==Safety issues==
	A reviewer claimed that on August 4, 2023, his car, which was carrying DCS batteries, exploded and caught fire; the occupants were unharmed, but the vehicle was destroyed as a result of the incident. The reviewer alleged that he was faced with legal threats from DCS for publishing the initial review.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/reviews/374ddb79-d4b4-5c58-9cae-fd350d231fc2</ref>		A reviewer claimed that on August 4, 2023, his car, which was carrying DCS batteries, exploded and caught fire; the occupants were unharmed, but the vehicle was destroyed as a result of the incident. The reviewer alleged that he was faced with legal threats from DCS for publishing the initial review.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/reviews/374ddb79-d4b4-5c58-9cae-fd350d231fc2 ([http://web.archive.org/web/20260102174017/https://www.productreview.com.au/reviews/374ddb79-d4b4-5c58-9cae-fd350d231fc2 Archived])</ref>

	==References==		==References==
	<references />		<references />
	[[Category:Deep Cycle Systems]]		[[Category:Deep Cycle Systems]]

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	{{Hatnote\|Main article: [[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}}		{{Hatnote\|Main article: [[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}}

	On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also ~~made~~ a ~~followup~~ video regarding DCS' questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube}}</ref>.		On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review of DCS's 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also created a follow-up video regarding DCS's questionable history<ref>{{Cite web \|last=AllOffRoad 4x4 \|date=16 Aug 2023 \|title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I \|website=YouTube}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=31 Jul 2024 \|title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. \|url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk \|website=YouTube}}</ref>.

			AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=23 Jul 2024 \|title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty \|url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 \|website=YouTube}}</ref>{{Citation needed\|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but this is not mentioned in their warranty policy {{Citation needed}}.

	AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossmann \|first=Louis \|date=23 Jul 2024 \|title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty \|url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 \|website=YouTube}}</ref>{{Citation needed\|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy{{Citation needed}}.
	===Hidden warranty policy update===		===Hidden warranty policy update===
	DCS' warranty policy claims that:<ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref><!-- It says "fails to deliver less than X% of it's rated capacity", which is confusing. -->		DCS's warranty policy claims that:<ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref><!-- It says "fails to deliver less than X% of it's rated capacity", which is confusing. -->

	*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of ~~its~~ rated capacity are covered.		*For 'normal installations', batteries that fail to deliver 80% of their rated capacity are covered.
	*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of ~~its~~ rated capacity are covered.		*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of their rated capacity are covered.
	*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.		*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.

	This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service partnered with the National Library of Australia and other organizations<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>.		This has been the case since November 7, 2023, according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service partnered with the National Library of Australia and other organizations.<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref> However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>.

	The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 ~~that~~:		The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9, 2023, are affected by:
	*~~Was~~ installed in an engine bay/compartment.		*It was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
	*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.		*Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
	*Remained above 70% of it.		*Remained above 70% of it.

	~~would~~ be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing ~~because of~~ the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.		Would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing due to the changes to DCS's public warranty policy.

	The Trove archives can be found here:		The Trove archives can be found here:

	*DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023<ref name=":0" />		*DCS Warranty Policy on November 7, 2023<ref name=":0" />
	*DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023<ref name=":1" /><!-- Maybe replace this list with proper citations next to when the dates were first mentioned. -->		*DCS Warranty Policy on March 9, 2023<ref name=":1" /><!-- Maybe replace this list with proper citations next to when the dates were first mentioned. -->

	====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====		====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====
	Internet Archive's Wayback Machine has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:		Internet Archive's Wayback Machine has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:

	*DCS falsely claims that ~~their~~ policy was last updated in 2021, ~~when~~ Trove's archives ~~show~~ it was actually updated in 2023~~, both years not being covered by~~ the Wayback Machine.		*DCS falsely claims that its policy was last updated in 2021, whereas Trove's archives indicate it was actually updated in 2023; the Wayback Machine does not cover either of these dates.
	*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, ~~claiming~~ that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS ~~asking~~ when their policy was updated.		*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, stating that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS, inquiring about when their policy was updated.

	<!-- Louis's claims of user reachouts: https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=601 -->		<!-- Louis's claims of user reachouts: https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=601 -->
	This ~~would suggest~~ that DCS was ~~behind the removal of~~ archives before 2024.		This suggests that DCS was responsible for removing archives before 2024.

	===Cyberbullying accusations against Louis Rossmann===		===Cyberbullying accusations against Louis Rossmann===
	On the 1st of August 2024, DCS filed a complaint to the Australian government against Louis Rossmann claiming that they are the target of an "orchestrated cyberbullying attack" by Rossmann and his follower base, with the goal being "to discredit the quality of our products," leading to "millions of dollars" of damage to the company, and demanded that Rossmann be "held accountable" for his actions. DCS claimed that Rossmann's accusations against them are "based on one person's opinion," and involved misinformation and disinformation, which is incorrect, because the accusations are backed up by evidence from various sources. For example, the claim about the ~~quick~~ deterioration of ~~the~~ battery capacity is based on a research ~~of the battery~~ by ~~the~~ ITP Renewables, the report of ~~the~~ research is available on Australian Renewable Energy Agency.<ref>{{Cite web \|date=7 June 2022 \|title=Public Report 12 (Final Report) Lithium-ion Battery Testing \|url=https://arena.gov.au/assets/2018/05/lithium-ion-battery-testing-public-report-12.pdf \|website=Australian Renewable Energy Agency}}</ref> Rossmann's claim about warranty fraud is ~~backed up~~ by an archived page from their own website, ~~proving~~ that they ~~did falsify~~ their warranty information.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /><ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossman \|first=Louis \|date=15 March 2025 \|title=DCS reports me to Australian government for cyberbullying \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfNbxmT3B4 \|website=YouTube}}</ref>		On the 1st of August 2024, DCS filed a complaint to the Australian government against Louis Rossmann claiming that they are the target of an "orchestrated cyberbullying attack" by Rossmann and his follower base, with the goal being "to discredit the quality of our products," leading to "millions of dollars" of damage to the company, and demanded that Rossmann be "held accountable" for his actions. DCS claimed that Rossmann's accusations against them are "based on one person's opinion," and involved misinformation and disinformation, which is incorrect, because the accusations are backed up by evidence from various sources. For example, the claim about the rapid deterioration of battery capacity is based on research conducted by ITP Renewables; the report of this research is available on the Australian Renewable Energy Agency's website.<ref>{{Cite web \|date=7 June 2022 \|title=Public Report 12 (Final Report) Lithium-ion Battery Testing \|url=https://arena.gov.au/assets/2018/05/lithium-ion-battery-testing-public-report-12.pdf \|website=Australian Renewable Energy Agency}}</ref> Rossmann's claim about warranty fraud is supported by an archived page from their own website, which proves that they falsified their warranty information.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /><ref>{{Cite web \|last=Rossman \|first=Louis \|date=15 March 2025 \|title=DCS reports me to Australian government for cyberbullying \|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfNbxmT3B4 \|website=YouTube}}</ref>

	===Suspected fake positive reviews===		===Suspected fake positive reviews===
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	==Safety issues==		==Safety issues==
	A reviewer claimed that on August 4, 2023 his car, carrying DCS batteries exploded and caught on fire, the occupants were unharmed but the ~~car~~ was destroyed as a result of the incident. The reviewer alleged that he was faced with legal threats from DCS for publishing the initial review.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/reviews/374ddb79-d4b4-5c58-9cae-fd350d231fc2</ref>		A reviewer claimed that on August 4, 2023, his car, which was carrying DCS batteries, exploded and caught fire; the occupants were unharmed, but the vehicle was destroyed as a result of the incident. The reviewer alleged that he was faced with legal threats from DCS for publishing the initial review.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/reviews/374ddb79-d4b4-5c58-9cae-fd350d231fc2</ref>

	==References==		==References==
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	[[Category:Deep Cycle Systems]]		[[Category:Deep Cycle Systems]]