Talk:Hidden EULA language - Revision history

Sojourna: change to use unsigned template

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	This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?		This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?

	I would recommend changing it to something that is more accessible especially to people who speak English as a second language. For example, "Hidden/Questionable EULA terms". ~~— <small>The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Gyorokpeter~~\|Gyrokpeter~~]] ([[User talk:Gyrokpeter\|talk]]~~ \| ~~[[Special~~:~~Contributions/Gyrokpeter\|contribs]])~~ 15 January 2025~~</small>~~		I would recommend changing it to something that is more accessible especially to people who speak English as a second language. For example, "Hidden/Questionable EULA terms". {{Unsigned\|Gyrokpeter\|04:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)}}


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	==Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement?==		==Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement?==
	It is a good term, but it is not clear to me that it is consistent with the Granny Rule in the mission statement. The term may be seen as overly inflammatory for Granny. It might also offend movements that defend sexual assault survivors. Do we consider this an exception to the Granny Rule? What are your thoughts? ~~— <small>The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:I Still Will Not Use Discord~~\|I Still Will Not Use Discord~~]] ([[User talk:I Still Will Not Use Discord\|talk]]~~ \| ~~[[Special~~:~~Contributions/I Still Will Not Use Discord\|contribs]])~~ 15 January 2025~~</small>~~		It is a good term, but it is not clear to me that it is consistent with the Granny Rule in the mission statement. The term may be seen as overly inflammatory for Granny. It might also offend movements that defend sexual assault survivors. Do we consider this an exception to the Granny Rule? What are your thoughts? {{Unsigned\|I Still Will Not Use Discord\|12:45, 15 January 2025 (UTC)}}

	:Agree. I propose that article should be reworded. EULA Roofie can be referred to as a colloquialism, and its meaning explained, but it should not be the main title or reference term for this Theme. Discussion here about an appropriate alternative is welcomed! -[[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Keith\|contribs]]) 16 January 2025		:Agree. I propose that article should be reworded. EULA Roofie can be referred to as a colloquialism, and its meaning explained, but it should not be the main title or reference term for this Theme. Discussion here about an appropriate alternative is welcomed! -[[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Keith\|contribs]]) 16 January 2025
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	==Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?==		==Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?==
	"Using lengthy documents (often 50+ pages) to hide terms that rob you of your privacy and rights as an American citizen (your day in court)."		"Using lengthy documents (often 50+ pages) to hide terms that rob you of your privacy and rights as an American citizen (your day in court)."
	I'm not sure since I don't know if this wiki is intended for consumer protection outside of America? ~~— <small>The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/~~106.71.35.120\|~~106.71.35.120]] ([[User talk~~:~~106.71.35.120\|talk]])~~ 15 January 2025~~</small>~~		I'm not sure since I don't know if this wiki is intended for consumer protection outside of America? {{Unsigned\|106.71.35.120\|05:10, 15 January 2025 (UTC)}}

	:This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -[[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Keith\|contribs]]) 16 January 2025		:This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -[[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Keith\|contribs]]) 16 January 2025

Beanie Bo: Beanie Bo moved page Talk:EULA roofie to Talk:Hidden EULA language: see Talk page

2025-10-02T15:01:51Z

Beanie Bo moved page Talk:EULA roofie to Talk:Hidden EULA language: see Talk page

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2025-10-02T15:01:32Z

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	:How about a text transcription of image's contents? Accessibility would definitely benefit from this. The image can be hidden in a collapsible list or cycled between short and expanded version like maps on geographic wikipedia articles. [[User:Yappermaster69\|Yappermaster69]] ([[User talk:Yappermaster69\|talk]]) 22:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)		:How about a text transcription of image's contents? Accessibility would definitely benefit from this. The image can be hidden in a collapsible list or cycled between short and expanded version like maps on geographic wikipedia articles. [[User:Yappermaster69\|Yappermaster69]] ([[User talk:Yappermaster69\|talk]]) 22:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
	::Both would definitely be an improvement over the status quo (which is bad even on desktop PC). — [[User:Sojourna\|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna\|talk]]) 02:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)		::Both would definitely be an improvement over the status quo (which is bad even on desktop PC). — [[User:Sojourna\|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna\|talk]]) 02:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

			== Title Change ==

			As per mod discussion on discord, the title is being changed to be more descriptive and professional. It would help to change any mention of "EULA roofie" in other articles to reflect this change. Thank you. --Mod, [[User:Beanie Bo\|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo\|talk]]) 15:01, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

Sojourna: /* More accessible title? */ Added unsigned.

2025-09-08T21:50:18Z

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	This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?		This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?

	I would recommend changing it to something that is more accessible especially to people who speak English as a second language. For example, "Hidden/Questionable EULA terms".		I would recommend changing it to something that is more accessible especially to people who speak English as a second language. For example, "Hidden/Questionable EULA terms". — <small>The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Gyorokpeter\|Gyrokpeter]] ([[User talk:Gyrokpeter\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Gyrokpeter\|contribs]]) 15 January 2025</small>

Sojourna: /* Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable? */ Clean up display, wikify user names and added unsigned tag.

2025-09-08T21:36:39Z

Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?: Clean up display, wikify user names and added unsigned tag.

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	==Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?==		==Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?==
	"Using lengthy documents (often 50+ pages) to hide terms that rob you of your privacy and rights as an American citizen (your day in court)."		"Using lengthy documents (often 50+ pages) to hide terms that rob you of your privacy and rights as an American citizen (your day in court)."
	I'm not sure since I don't know if this wiki is intended for consumer protection outside of America?		I'm not sure since I don't know if this wiki is intended for consumer protection outside of America? — <small>The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/106.71.35.120\|106.71.35.120]] ([[User talk:106.71.35.120\|talk]]) 15 January 2025</small>

	This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -Keith		:This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -[[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Keith\|contribs]]) 16 January 2025

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Sojourna: /* Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement? */ Clean up display, wikify user names and added unsigned tag.

2025-09-08T21:13:07Z

Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement?: Clean up display, wikify user names and added unsigned tag.

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	==Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement?==		==Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement?==
	It is a good term, but it is not clear to me that it is consistent with the Granny Rule in the mission statement. The term may be seen as overly inflammatory for Granny. It might also offend movements that defend sexual assault survivors. Do we consider this an exception to the Granny Rule? What are your thoughts?		It is a good term, but it is not clear to me that it is consistent with the Granny Rule in the mission statement. The term may be seen as overly inflammatory for Granny. It might also offend movements that defend sexual assault survivors. Do we consider this an exception to the Granny Rule? What are your thoughts? — <small>The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:I Still Will Not Use Discord\|I Still Will Not Use Discord]] ([[User talk:I Still Will Not Use Discord\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/I Still Will Not Use Discord\|contribs]]) 15 January 2025</small>

	Agree. I propose that article should be reworded. EULA Roofie can be referred to as a colloquialism, and its meaning explained, but it should not be the main title or reference term for this Theme. Discussion here about an appropriate alternative is welcomed! -Keith		:Agree. I propose that article should be reworded. EULA Roofie can be referred to as a colloquialism, and its meaning explained, but it should not be the main title or reference term for this Theme. Discussion here about an appropriate alternative is welcomed! -[[User:Keith\|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Keith\|contribs]]) 16 January 2025

	I second that. I've heard EULA Rugpull floating around, but I'd suggest Term Spiking Heres my terms list I've been working on:		::I second that. I've heard EULA Rugpull floating around, but I'd suggest Term Spiking Heres my terms list I've been working on:

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	-Travis		::-[[User:Travis\|Travis]] ([[User talk:Travis\|talk]] \| [[Special:Contributions/Travis\|contribs]]) 17 January 2025

	==Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?==		==Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?==

Sojourna: /* Image is too large */ Reply

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	:How about a text transcription of image's contents? Accessibility would definitely benefit from this. The image can be hidden in a collapsible list or cycled between short and expanded version like maps on geographic wikipedia articles. [[User:Yappermaster69\|Yappermaster69]] ([[User talk:Yappermaster69\|talk]]) 22:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)		:How about a text transcription of image's contents? Accessibility would definitely benefit from this. The image can be hidden in a collapsible list or cycled between short and expanded version like maps on geographic wikipedia articles. [[User:Yappermaster69\|Yappermaster69]] ([[User talk:Yappermaster69\|talk]]) 22:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
			::Both would definitely be an improvement over the status quo (which is bad even on desktop PC). — [[User:Sojourna\|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna\|talk]]) 02:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Yappermaster69: /* Image is too large */ Reply

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	== More accessible title?==		==More accessible title?==
	This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?		This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?

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	This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -Keith		This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -Keith

	== Spelling ==		==Spelling==

	Is it spelled EULA roofieing or is there a different way to actually spell it?		Is it spelled EULA roofieing or is there a different way to actually spell it?
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	Reply to JamesTDG. It is spelled "EULA roofying." Perhaps the title of the article should be changed from "EULA roofie" to "EULA Roofying-" [[User:I_Will_Not_Use_Discord\|I_Will_Not_Use_Discord]]		Reply to JamesTDG. It is spelled "EULA roofying." Perhaps the title of the article should be changed from "EULA roofie" to "EULA Roofying-" [[User:I_Will_Not_Use_Discord\|I_Will_Not_Use_Discord]]

	== Merge suggestion ==		==Merge suggestion==
	This seems to be roughly a duplicate of [[Post-purchase EULA modification]]. Indeed, that article says <q>Post-purchase End User Licence Agreement (EULA) modification, colloquially referred to as the ‘EULA Roofie’</q>, which suggests that the two articles refer to the same thing. I think the two articles ought to be merged. "EULA roofie" is probably a lot less professional and should not be the chosen title retained for the merge.[[User:Mingyee\|Mingyee]] ([[User talk:Mingyee\|talk]]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		This seems to be roughly a duplicate of [[Post-purchase EULA modification]]. Indeed, that article says <q>Post-purchase End User Licence Agreement (EULA) modification, colloquially referred to as the ‘EULA Roofie’</q>, which suggests that the two articles refer to the same thing. I think the two articles ought to be merged. "EULA roofie" is probably a lot less professional and should not be the chosen title retained for the merge.[[User:Mingyee\|Mingyee]] ([[User talk:Mingyee\|talk]]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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	I understand the desire to have a complete picture for reference, but having to do a ''lot'' of scrolling to reach the bottom is a negative experience for any user. It should be broken up into multiple parts. -- [[User:Sojourna\|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna\|talk]]) 18:49, 22 July 2025 (UTC)		I understand the desire to have a complete picture for reference, but having to do a ''lot'' of scrolling to reach the bottom is a negative experience for any user. It should be broken up into multiple parts. -- [[User:Sojourna\|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna\|talk]]) 18:49, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

			:How about a text transcription of image's contents? Accessibility would definitely benefit from this. The image can be hidden in a collapsible list or cycled between short and expanded version like maps on geographic wikipedia articles. [[User:Yappermaster69\|Yappermaster69]] ([[User talk:Yappermaster69\|talk]]) 22:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Sojourna: fixed header level

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	= More accessible title?=		== More accessible title?==
	This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?		This looks like a slang term and it made no sense to me at first. What does "roofie" mean in the first place? Do they put people on the roof so they can kick them off and watch them suffer? Are they hiding the terms on the roof of the house such that you are normally not looking for them? What even is the etymology of the word?

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	:Its use is meant to invoke a visceral response to the violation an actual roofie (the slipping of a drug to an unknown party) usually precedes, to put them on an equal level of reprehensible. I agree that the turn of phrase LR uses both can confuse those not knowing the origin of the slang, or risks being handled very indelicately at some point. <u>I was thinking that perhaps we could maybe convince LR to use a Darth Vader v Lando Calrissian themed example.</u> 1, its understanding is probably would be more widespread being Star Wars and all, and 2, it survives polite conversation tones much more readily. [[User:MadMallard\|MadMallard]] ([[User talk:MadMallard\|talk]]) 00:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)		:Its use is meant to invoke a visceral response to the violation an actual roofie (the slipping of a drug to an unknown party) usually precedes, to put them on an equal level of reprehensible. I agree that the turn of phrase LR uses both can confuse those not knowing the origin of the slang, or risks being handled very indelicately at some point. <u>I was thinking that perhaps we could maybe convince LR to use a Darth Vader v Lando Calrissian themed example.</u> 1, its understanding is probably would be more widespread being Star Wars and all, and 2, it survives polite conversation tones much more readily. [[User:MadMallard\|MadMallard]] ([[User talk:MadMallard\|talk]]) 00:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

	=Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement?=		==Is the term consistent with the "Granny Rule" in the mission statement?==
	It is a good term, but it is not clear to me that it is consistent with the Granny Rule in the mission statement. The term may be seen as overly inflammatory for Granny. It might also offend movements that defend sexual assault survivors. Do we consider this an exception to the Granny Rule? What are your thoughts?		It is a good term, but it is not clear to me that it is consistent with the Granny Rule in the mission statement. The term may be seen as overly inflammatory for Granny. It might also offend movements that defend sexual assault survivors. Do we consider this an exception to the Granny Rule? What are your thoughts?

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	=Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?=		==Should this be replaced with something more internationally applicable?==
	"Using lengthy documents (often 50+ pages) to hide terms that rob you of your privacy and rights as an American citizen (your day in court)."		"Using lengthy documents (often 50+ pages) to hide terms that rob you of your privacy and rights as an American citizen (your day in court)."
	I'm not sure since I don't know if this wiki is intended for consumer protection outside of America?		I'm not sure since I don't know if this wiki is intended for consumer protection outside of America?
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	This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -Keith		This Wiki is intended to be international, and I have edited the mentioned statement to reflect this. -Keith

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	Is it spelled EULA roofieing or is there a different way to actually spell it?		Is it spelled EULA roofieing or is there a different way to actually spell it?
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	Reply to JamesTDG. It is spelled "EULA roofying." Perhaps the title of the article should be changed from "EULA roofie" to "EULA Roofying-" [[User:I_Will_Not_Use_Discord\|I_Will_Not_Use_Discord]]		Reply to JamesTDG. It is spelled "EULA roofying." Perhaps the title of the article should be changed from "EULA roofie" to "EULA Roofying-" [[User:I_Will_Not_Use_Discord\|I_Will_Not_Use_Discord]]

	= Merge suggestion =		== Merge suggestion ==
	This seems to be roughly a duplicate of [[Post-purchase EULA modification]]. Indeed, that article says <q>Post-purchase End User Licence Agreement (EULA) modification, colloquially referred to as the ‘EULA Roofie’</q>, which suggests that the two articles refer to the same thing. I think the two articles ought to be merged. "EULA roofie" is probably a lot less professional and should not be the chosen title retained for the merge.[[User:Mingyee\|Mingyee]] ([[User talk:Mingyee\|talk]]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		This seems to be roughly a duplicate of [[Post-purchase EULA modification]]. Indeed, that article says <q>Post-purchase End User Licence Agreement (EULA) modification, colloquially referred to as the ‘EULA Roofie’</q>, which suggests that the two articles refer to the same thing. I think the two articles ought to be merged. "EULA roofie" is probably a lot less professional and should not be the chosen title retained for the merge.[[User:Mingyee\|Mingyee]] ([[User talk:Mingyee\|talk]]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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	This seems to be roughly a duplicate of [[Post-purchase EULA modification]]. Indeed, that article says <q>Post-purchase End User Licence Agreement (EULA) modification, colloquially referred to as the ‘EULA Roofie’</q>, which suggests that the two articles refer to the same thing. I think the two articles ought to be merged. "EULA roofie" is probably a lot less professional and should not be the chosen title retained for the merge.[[User:Mingyee\|Mingyee]] ([[User talk:Mingyee\|talk]]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)		This seems to be roughly a duplicate of [[Post-purchase EULA modification]]. Indeed, that article says <q>Post-purchase End User Licence Agreement (EULA) modification, colloquially referred to as the ‘EULA Roofie’</q>, which suggests that the two articles refer to the same thing. I think the two articles ought to be merged. "EULA roofie" is probably a lot less professional and should not be the chosen title retained for the merge.[[User:Mingyee\|Mingyee]] ([[User talk:Mingyee\|talk]]) 15:54, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

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			I understand the desire to have a complete picture for reference, but having to do a ''lot'' of scrolling to reach the bottom is a negative experience for any user. It should be broken up into multiple parts. -- [[User:Sojourna\|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna\|talk]]) 18:49, 22 July 2025 (UTC)