https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AProven_Industries_v._Trevor_McNallyTalk:Proven Industries v. Trevor McNally - Revision history2026-05-17T19:29:39ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.44.0https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Proven_Industries_v._Trevor_McNally&diff=27423&oldid=prevAnotherConsumerRightsPerson: /* $130 lock bypassed with can - Proven Industries video now back on YouTube */ Reply2025-10-18T06:05:59Z<p><span class="autocomment">$130 lock bypassed with can - Proven Industries video now back on YouTube: </span> Reply</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Instead of actually modifying the design of their lock to block this type of shim attack, Proven Industries chose to keep up their own video, that misinformed customers and attempt to silence McNally.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I'm not sure exactly where the law covering copyright (in the USA) and the DMCA says this. It might be section 512g, but I'm having problems finding a citiation for it. However anyone making a DMCA take down claim is required to specifically consider if the person who's content they are complaining about has fair use reason for using their work, or part of their work. There are a lot of companies that are now misusing the YouTube copyright claim system to issue bogus copyright claims on fair use videos.</ins></div></td></tr>
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