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Raster: /* I don't want to use Discord. Do I have to? */ edit No comment

2025-10-22T16:07:00Z

I don't want to use Discord. Do I have to?: edit No comment

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	= '''⚠''' ''Notice - Leaving CRW'' =		='''⚠''' ''Notice - Leaving CRW''=
	[[Discord]] is an instant messaging platform separate from the Consumer Rights Wiki website.		[[Discord]] is an instant messaging platform separate from the Consumer Rights Wiki website.

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	<!-- Insert fancy HTML button here a la main page --> [https://discord.gg/8w5rSNAXRf ✅ OK, take me to the CRW Discord server]		<!-- Insert fancy HTML button here a la main page --> [https://discord.gg/8w5rSNAXRf ✅ OK, take me to the CRW Discord server]

	== I don't want to use Discord. Do I ''have to''? ==		==I don't want to use Discord. Do I ''have to''?==
	<big>No.</big> <!-- << this No ~~sucks~~ -Raster -->		<big>No.</big> <!-- << this No is impolite and also looks bad -Raster -->
	If you have general questions about the wiki (editing, discussing sources, etc), you can use the search bar at the top to see if your question has been answered already. <!-- It's not perfect. In my testing using multiple words seem to return less results. IDK how it works best. Single words? -->		If you have general questions about the wiki (editing, discussing sources, etc), you can use the search bar at the top to see if your question has been answered already. <!-- It's not perfect. In my testing using multiple words seem to return less results. IDK how it works best. Single words? -->
	If you didn't find anything, you can make a new section at the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard\|Moderators' noticeboard]] (A link is also available on the left sidebar.) <!-- I considered linking Start a new section itself but that might mean people won't read what's on top of the diggity dang page (from personal experience, I know I forget the sidebar exists and struggled finding Moderators' noticeboard on the sidebar. My perception is hilariously bad if the side bar isn't the main focus of a page lmao). -->		If you didn't find anything, you can make a new section at the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard\|Moderators' noticeboard]] (A link is also available on the left sidebar.) <!-- I considered linking Start a new section itself but that might mean people won't read what's on top of the diggity dang page (from personal experience, I know I forget the sidebar exists and struggled finding Moderators' noticeboard on the sidebar. My perception is hilariously bad if the side bar isn't the main focus of a page lmao). -->

Raster: drafted some Drakeula's suggestions. many editor comments within

2025-10-22T15:31:59Z

drafted some Drakeula's suggestions. many editor comments within

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	~~Editor's Note: All these links link to~~ Discord's website.		[[Discord]] is an instant messaging platform separate from the Consumer Rights Wiki website.

	~~Discord is an instant messaging platform, serparate from the Consumer Rights Wiki.~~ It has its own [https://discord.com/terms Terms of Service] and [https://discord.com/privacy Privacy Policy] agreements, with elements that may be considered ~~a violation~~ of consumer rights including its [https://discord.com/terms#16 forced arbitration and class action waiver] terms.		It has its own [https://discord.com/terms Terms of Service] and [https://discord.com/privacy Privacy Policy] agreements, with elements that may be considered violations of consumer rights including its [https://discord.com/terms#16 forced arbitration and class action waiver] terms. More info is available on the CRW [[Discord]] page.

	~~== So why the Discord link? ==~~<!-- ~~This is very basic~~. ~~While I have previously been active on Discord~~, ~~I have never been on~~ the CRW~~'s and thus this may be inaccurate. -->~~		<!-- Insert fancy HTML button here a la main page --> [https://discord.gg/8w5rSNAXRf ✅ OK, take me to the CRW Discord server]

	Discord is a common platform used by many people to connect and collaborate with each other in real time, and many people already have accounts on it. While ~~the consumer rights drawbacks are real~~, a more suitable platform that can replicate its ~~instanteous collaboration and~~ organized ~~interface~~ has not yet been agreed upon.<!-- From Drakeula: Some of the things I think it well to address:		== I don't want to use Discord. Do I ''have to''? ==
			<big>No.</big> <!-- << this No sucks -Raster -->
			If you have general questions about the wiki (editing, discussing sources, etc), you can use the search bar at the top to see if your question has been answered already. <!-- It's not perfect. In my testing using multiple words seem to return less results. IDK how it works best. Single words? -->
			If you didn't find anything, you can make a new section at the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard\|Moderators' noticeboard]] (A link is also available on the left sidebar.) <!-- I considered linking Start a new section itself but that might mean people won't read what's on top of the diggity dang page (from personal experience, I know I forget the sidebar exists and struggled finding Moderators' noticeboard on the sidebar. My perception is hilariously bad if the side bar isn't the main focus of a page lmao). -->
			==So why the Discord link?==<!-- This is very basic. While I have previously been active on Discord, I have never been on the CRW's and can only assume they have well-segmented channels -->

			Discord is a common platform used by many people to connect and collaborate with each other in real time, and many people already have accounts on it. While it is not a perfect platform, a more suitable platform that can replicate its instantaneous, organized conversation has not yet been agreed upon.

			There is an ongoing discussion for the main page on possible platform alternatives: [[Talk:Main Page#Please add cautions to discord link\|Please add cautions to discord link]]<!-- From Drakeula: Some of the things I think it well to address:

	Why discord?		Why discord?
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	Any other questions such an explanation should answer? -->		Any other questions such an explanation should answer? -->

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			Final ed note: Anyone is free to edit this page. I'll make a Sandbox 2 eventually if I need one

Raster: v basic draft of a warning page, as per Drakeula's discussion

2025-10-20T17:34:10Z

v basic draft of a warning page, as per Drakeula's discussion

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	~~Changing tone feels like rocket science, so I am using this page~~ to ~~not have as big of a pressure to have my browser tab open~~		= Notice =
			Editor's Note: All these links link to Discord's website.

	https://~~consumerrights~~.~~wiki~~/w/~~Tesla_cybertruck_voids_warranty_if_advertised_Power-Your-Site_feature_is_used~~		Discord is an instant messaging platform, serparate from the Consumer Rights Wiki. It has its own [https://discord.com/terms Terms of Service] and [https://discord.com/privacy Privacy Policy] agreements, with elements that may be considered a violation of consumer rights including its [https://discord.com/terms#16 forced arbitration and class action waiver] terms.

	~~Background~~		== So why the Discord link? ==<!-- This is very basic. While I have previously been active on Discord, I have never been on the CRW's and thus this may be inaccurate. -->

	~~originally~~:		Discord is a common platform used by many people to connect and collaborate with each other in real time, and many people already have accounts on it. While the consumer rights drawbacks are real, a more suitable platform that can replicate its instanteous collaboration and organized interface has not yet been agreed upon.<!-- From Drakeula: Some of the things I think it well to address:

	~~...These Cybertruck models tend~~ to ~~have large battery capacities around 120kWh.[1] These vehicles consume much~~ more ~~power for their driving operation, like when they are accelerating 0-100km/h~~ (~~60mph) under three seconds with their over 200kW motors[1]~~. ~~It is a power requirement that the batteries should handle easily~~, ~~so it~~ is ~~expected that if regular driving falls within battery warranty that this "Power Your Site" feature would also fall under warranty, especially if it is advertised without any disclaimers.[2]~~		Why discord?
			Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform? (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected? What are desiderata? What is anticipated time frame?)

	~~draft:~~		Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page? (I haven’t found a tool to do this. If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it]) A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better. (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.)

	... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which primarily power the vehicle's movement. Having 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]] and weighing 3 tons, driving normally uses more energy than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying. Thus, it is strange the Power Your Site features is not covered under warranty, being advertised on their website with no disclaimers. [[https://www.tesla.com/powershare literally the Tesla Powershare page] lmao].		Any other questions such an explanation should answer? -->

	~~originally 2 (Updated warranty void conditions for the car battery):~~

	~~So that means that it is possible for Tesla to change the performance of the battery remotely, without the customer being able to use warranty if this update negatively affects them.~~

	~~draft 2:~~

	~~'''This means''' that it is possible ...~~

	~~random notes:~~

	~~as of 2025-06-05 it is still dubiously covered under the [https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla~~-~~contents/image/upload/tesla~~-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6; isn't being "stationary" part of powering a house?; \| page 8, "Using the vehicle as a permanent or long-term power source with signs of unreasonably high energy throughput that may be inconsistent with the mileage driven;" what is determined as unreasonable? do they get that sole power? I may need to bring this to a talk page, updating the info is not the scope I had when first starting this draft page.

	~~the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢~~

Raster: tone unwrinkled; considering updating Power Your Site to Powershare to match advertising material

2025-10-18T10:38:42Z

tone unwrinkled; considering updating Power Your Site to Powershare to match advertising material

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	... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which ~~would~~ primarily power the vehicle's movement. ~~Weighing at 3 tons and having~~ 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]], driving normally uses more energy than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying. Thus, it is strange the Power Your Site features is not covered under warranty, being advertised ~~prominently~~ with no disclaimers. [[https://www.tesla.com/powershare literally the Tesla Powershare page] lmao].		... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which primarily power the vehicle's movement. Having 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]] and weighing 3 tons, driving normally uses more energy than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying. Thus, it is strange the Power Your Site features is not covered under warranty, being advertised on their website with no disclaimers. [[https://www.tesla.com/powershare literally the Tesla Powershare page] lmao].

			originally 2 (Updated warranty void conditions for the car battery):

			So that means that it is possible for Tesla to change the performance of the battery remotely, without the customer being able to use warranty if this update negatively affects them.

			draft 2:

			'''This means''' that it is possible ...

	random notes:		random notes:

	as of 2025-06-05 it is dubiously covered under the [https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6; isn't being "stationary" part of powering a house?; \| page 8, "Using the vehicle as a permanent or long-term power source with signs of unreasonably high energy throughput that may be inconsistent with the mileage driven;" what is determined as unreasonable? do they get that sole power? I may need to bring this to a talk page, updating the info is not the scope I had when first starting this draft page.		as of 2025-06-05 it is still dubiously covered under the [https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6; isn't being "stationary" part of powering a house?; \| page 8, "Using the vehicle as a permanent or long-term power source with signs of unreasonably high energy throughput that may be inconsistent with the mileage driven;" what is determined as unreasonable? do they get that sole power? I may need to bring this to a talk page, updating the info is not the scope I had when first starting this draft page.

	the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢		the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢

Raster at 18:56, 17 October 2025

2025-10-17T18:56:56Z

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	as of 2025-06-05 ~~this~~ is ~~still not~~ covered under the [https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6.		as of 2025-06-05 it is dubiously covered under the [https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6; isn't being "stationary" part of powering a house?; \| page 8, "Using the vehicle as a permanent or long-term power source with signs of unreasonably high energy throughput that may be inconsistent with the mileage driven;" what is determined as unreasonable? do they get that sole power? I may need to bring this to a talk page, updating the info is not the scope I had when first starting this draft page.

	the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢		the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢

Raster: found Tesla advertising Power Your Site (now Powershare); still need to wrinkle out the tone

2025-10-17T18:47:10Z

found Tesla advertising Power Your Site (now Powershare); still need to wrinkle out the tone

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	... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which would primarily power the vehicle's movement. Weighing at 3 tons and having 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]], driving normally uses more energy than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying. Thus, it is strange ~~using~~ the Power Your Site features ~~invalidates~~ warranty [~~whoah heavy accusation there Raster~~]. ~~TODO find material advertising Power Your Site because a Louis video is not a Highest credibility sauce~~		... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which would primarily power the vehicle's movement. Weighing at 3 tons and having 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]], driving normally uses more energy than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying. Thus, it is strange the Power Your Site features is not covered under warranty, being advertised prominently with no disclaimers. [[https://www.tesla.com/powershare literally the Tesla Powershare page] lmao].

			random notes:

			as of 2025-06-05 this is still not covered under the [https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6.
	the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢		the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢

Raster: found evspecifications to have buttons for diff specs, including efficiency. also fueleconomy dot gov. todo find better source for "advertised without any disclaimers"

2025-10-17T18:35:39Z

found evspecifications to have buttons for diff specs, including efficiency. also fueleconomy dot gov. todo find better source for "advertised without any disclaimers"

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	... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which would primarily power the vehicle's movement. Weighing at 3 tons[EVe source here], ~~it would take significant~~ energy ~~to move, more~~ than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying ~~[citation needed. do I need to do math here? I'm not sure of sauce.]~~. Thus, it is strange using the Power Your Site features invalidates warranty [whoah heavy accusation there Raster].		... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which would primarily power the vehicle's movement. Weighing at 3 tons and having 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]], driving normally uses more energy than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying. Thus, it is strange using the Power Your Site features invalidates warranty [whoah heavy accusation there Raster]. TODO find material advertising Power Your Site because a Louis video is not a Highest credibility sauce


			the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢

Raster: drafting "Tesla cybertruck [sic] voids warranty if Power Your Site feature is used" reword. feel free to help if youd like

2025-10-08T10:26:50Z

drafting "Tesla cybertruck [sic] voids warranty if Power Your Site feature is used" reword. feel free to help if youd like

New page

Changing tone feels like rocket science, so I am using this page to not have as big of a pressure to have my browser tab open

https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Tesla_cybertruck_voids_warranty_if_advertised_Power-Your-Site_feature_is_used

Background

originally:

...These Cybertruck models tend to have large battery capacities around 120kWh.[1] These vehicles consume much more power for their driving operation, like when they are accelerating 0-100km/h (60mph) under three seconds with their over 200kW motors[1]. It is a power requirement that the batteries should handle easily, so it is expected that if regular driving falls within battery warranty that this "Power Your Site" feature would also fall under warranty, especially if it is advertised without any disclaimers.[2]

draft:

... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which would primarily power the vehicle's movement. Weighing at 3 tons[EVe source here], it would take significant energy to move, more than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying [citation needed. do I need to do math here? I'm not sure of sauce.]. Thus, it is strange using the Power Your Site features invalidates warranty [whoah heavy accusation there Raster].