User talk:Kyliotic - Revision history

Kostas: /* Json metadata for the extension */ Reply

2025-03-04T09:04:32Z

Json metadata for the extension: Reply

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	::*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)		::*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)
	::*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider. [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 06:04, 4 March 2025 (UTC)		::*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider. [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 06:04, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
			:::@[[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]]<nowiki> this time the ping worked. Maybe I missed it last time or I had the page open in another tab and that messed it up. You should take a look at the page I linked, I think it will help (eg ~~~~ automatically signs mesaages for you) I am aware how you are replying, I wrote the FAQ entry on it a month ago. Actually disregard the source editor stuff, let me just confirm your account ao you can just skip the captchas and reply using the ui.</nowiki>
			:::* The metadata used with Cargo/Semantic media wiki is meant to be used like you descibe by the extension. Also they will be user editable as well.
			:::* The clinton cat extension did initially work like you describe(querries to the api for every page) but that has shifted. I would suggest working with them as they have a basic ui (as I understand it), there are a couple of people already working on it and it has been the one Louis has been linking. Work has been stalled for a bit (mainly waiting on the extension to be added) but I think combining resources would help here. Maybe make a PR to share your idea on what the metadata format should contain? Or even the whole flow you currently use.
			:::* Automating this is how we are planning to do it. It should be possible through the API and a scriot but I dont have anything concrete yet.
			:::Also if you join the discrors communication would probably be easier. If you prefer not to I am happy to use talk pages and using github for the extension should also be fine, but it would help get on the same page faster I think. [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 09:04, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Kostas: is it the timezone?

2025-03-04T08:36:46Z

is it the timezone?

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	::*But also, in my opinion, the nice thing about having the metadata embedded in the article source is that anyone may edit and fix metadata (once a proper format is established of course). So when someone creates a new article, someone can easily copy/paste a metadata template, edit it, and have the changes update live to the extension.		::*But also, in my opinion, the nice thing about having the metadata embedded in the article source is that anyone may edit and fix metadata (once a proper format is established of course). So when someone creates a new article, someone can easily copy/paste a metadata template, edit it, and have the changes update live to the extension.
	::*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)		::*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)
	::*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider. [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 01:04, 4 March 2025 (~~EST~~)		::*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider. [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 06:04, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Kostas: finak attemot to format

2025-03-04T08:32:29Z

finak attemot to format

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	:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.		:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.
	:[[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)		:[[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
	~~::Test [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 08:31, 4 March 2025 (UTC)~~

	::@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]], Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.		::@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]], Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.
	::*So far, with simple embedded JSON, my extension can already look up if a website URL has been added to a wiki lookup table/database, and if is, it pulls embedded JSON from the wiki's product/organization articles. I just need to make GUI and then the basic concept is functional.		::*So far, with simple embedded JSON, my extension can already look up if a website URL has been added to a wiki lookup table/database, and if is, it pulls embedded JSON from the wiki's product/organization articles. I just need to make GUI and then the basic concept is functional.

Kostas: /* Json metadata for the extension */ Reply

2025-03-04T08:31:33Z

Json metadata for the extension: Reply

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	:@[[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] For some reason it did not but I saw your comments on the bug report page. That page should probably be moved as the Consumer Action Taskforce namespace is protected as a whole... Though that is the right place for such page.Anyway:		:@[[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] For some reason it did not but I saw your comments on the bug report page. That page should probably be moved as the Consumer Action Taskforce namespace is protected as a whole... Though that is the right place for such page.Anyway:
	:* Captcha is broken with discussion tools. That is a known bug with the extensions and I am not sure when it will be fixed, hopefully we tune the confirmed/autoconfirmed user process to allow people to skip them as soon as possible.		:*Captcha is broken with discussion tools. That is a known bug with the extensions and I am not sure when it will be fixed, hopefully we tune the confirmed/autoconfirmed user process to allow people to skip them as soon as possible.
	:* The <nowiki><br></nowiki> tags are restricted purspose this has to do with what bots like to use to spam on the wiki. This will likely not change.		:*The <nowiki><br></nowiki> tags are restricted purspose this has to do with what bots like to use to spam on the wiki. This will likely not change.
	:On the extension conversation:		:On the extension conversation:
	:* Hidden fields like you describe is what the cargo extension would basically provide but it would allow querring by field and using SQL syntax.		:*Hidden fields like you describe is what the cargo extension would basically provide but it would allow querring by field and using SQL syntax.
	:* Yes work on the extension has started here https://github.com/WayneKeenan/ClintonCAT coordinating with the devs there would probably be for the best. I am sure they would be open to discussing this.		:*Yes work on the extension has started here https://github.com/WayneKeenan/ClintonCAT coordinating with the devs there would probably be for the best. I am sure they would be open to discussing this.
	:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.		:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.
	: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)		:[[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
			::Test [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 08:31, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

	::@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]], Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.		::@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]], Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.

Kostas: attempt 2

2025-03-04T08:31:02Z

attempt 2

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	: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)		: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

	:@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]], Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.		::@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]], Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.
	:*So far, with simple embedded JSON, my extension can already look up if a website URL has been added to a wiki lookup table/database, and if is, it pulls embedded JSON from the wiki's product/organization articles. I just need to make GUI and then the basic concept is functional.		::*So far, with simple embedded JSON, my extension can already look up if a website URL has been added to a wiki lookup table/database, and if is, it pulls embedded JSON from the wiki's product/organization articles. I just need to make GUI and then the basic concept is functional.
	:*I only glanced at the ClintonCAT GitHub and it seems to actually read/search through all the wiki articles. To me, that seems like overkill. Having machine-readable metadata is so much more efficient and conveniant and sure, maybe Cargo may help with that.		::*I only glanced at the ClintonCAT GitHub and it seems to actually read/search through all the wiki articles. To me, that seems like overkill. Having machine-readable metadata is so much more efficient and conveniant and sure, maybe Cargo may help with that.
	:*But also, in my opinion, the nice thing about having the metadata embedded in the article source is that anyone may edit and fix metadata (once a proper format is established of course). So when someone creates a new article, someone can easily copy/paste a metadata template, edit it, and have the changes update live to the extension.		::*But also, in my opinion, the nice thing about having the metadata embedded in the article source is that anyone may edit and fix metadata (once a proper format is established of course). So when someone creates a new article, someone can easily copy/paste a metadata template, edit it, and have the changes update live to the extension.
	:*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)		::*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)
	:*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider.		::*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider. [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 01:04, 4 March 2025 (EST)
	: [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 01:04, 4 March 2025 (EST)

Kostas: trying to format so reply dialog shiws up

2025-03-04T08:27:13Z

trying to format so reply dialog shiws up

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	: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)		: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

	@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]],		:@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]], Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.
	Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.
	:*So far, with simple embedded JSON, my extension can already look up if a website URL has been added to a wiki lookup table/database, and if is, it pulls embedded JSON from the wiki's product/organization articles. I just need to make GUI and then the basic concept is functional.		:*So far, with simple embedded JSON, my extension can already look up if a website URL has been added to a wiki lookup table/database, and if is, it pulls embedded JSON from the wiki's product/organization articles. I just need to make GUI and then the basic concept is functional.
	:*I only glanced at the ClintonCAT GitHub and it seems to actually read/search through all the wiki articles. To me, that seems like overkill. Having machine-readable metadata is so much more efficient and conveniant and sure, maybe Cargo may help with that.		:*I only glanced at the ClintonCAT GitHub and it seems to actually read/search through all the wiki articles. To me, that seems like overkill. Having machine-readable metadata is so much more efficient and conveniant and sure, maybe Cargo may help with that.
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	:*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)		:*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)
	:*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider.		:*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider.
	[[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 01:04, 4 March 2025 (EST)		: [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 01:04, 4 March 2025 (EST)

Kyliotic at 06:09, 4 March 2025

2025-03-04T06:09:42Z

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	:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.		:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.
	: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)		: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

			@[[User:Kostas\|Kostas]],
			Interesting info. I have to manually edit the discussion source in order to reply. Perhaps that also breaks notifications/pings. Cargo might be helpful with metadata read/write, but I have never used it.
			:*So far, with simple embedded JSON, my extension can already look up if a website URL has been added to a wiki lookup table/database, and if is, it pulls embedded JSON from the wiki's product/organization articles. I just need to make GUI and then the basic concept is functional.
			:*I only glanced at the ClintonCAT GitHub and it seems to actually read/search through all the wiki articles. To me, that seems like overkill. Having machine-readable metadata is so much more efficient and conveniant and sure, maybe Cargo may help with that.
			:*But also, in my opinion, the nice thing about having the metadata embedded in the article source is that anyone may edit and fix metadata (once a proper format is established of course). So when someone creates a new article, someone can easily copy/paste a metadata template, edit it, and have the changes update live to the extension.
			:*Maybe even some automation to automatically generate extension metadata (likely only possible with a MediaWiki extension)
			:*Does Cargo achieve those points? I genuinely don't know, but just some things to consider.
			[[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 01:04, 4 March 2025 (EST)

Kostas: add space

2025-03-03T21:27:52Z

add space

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	:* Yes work on the extension has started here https://github.com/WayneKeenan/ClintonCAT coordinating with the devs there would probably be for the best. I am sure they would be open to discussing this.		:* Yes work on the extension has started here https://github.com/WayneKeenan/ClintonCAT coordinating with the devs there would probably be for the best. I am sure they would be open to discussing this.
	:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.		:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.
	: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]][[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)		: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]] [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Kostas at 21:18, 3 March 2025

2025-03-03T21:18:17Z

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	:* Hidden fields like you describe is what the cargo extension would basically provide but it would allow querring by field and using SQL syntax.		:* Hidden fields like you describe is what the cargo extension would basically provide but it would allow querring by field and using SQL syntax.
	:* Yes work on the extension has started here https://github.com/WayneKeenan/ClintonCAT coordinating with the devs there would probably be for the best. I am sure they would be open to discussing this.		:* Yes work on the extension has started here https://github.com/WayneKeenan/ClintonCAT coordinating with the devs there would probably be for the best. I am sure they would be open to discussing this.
	:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well. [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)		:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well.
			: [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Talk_page_guidelines\| The talk page guidelines might help with the captcha issues in the meantime]][[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Kostas: /* Json metadata for the extension */ Reply

2025-03-03T21:16:42Z

Json metadata for the extension: Reply

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	And then a browser extension can just <code>getElementsByClassName()</code> and retrieve any needed data.		And then a browser extension can just <code>getElementsByClassName()</code> and retrieve any needed data.
	Also, your phrasing implies that there already is a browser extension, is that true? [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 23:28, 2 March 2025 (UTC)		Also, your phrasing implies that there already is a browser extension, is that true? [[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] ([[User talk:Kyliotic\|talk]]) 23:28, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

			:@[[User:Kyliotic\|Kyliotic]] For some reason it did not but I saw your comments on the bug report page. That page should probably be moved as the Consumer Action Taskforce namespace is protected as a whole... Though that is the right place for such page.Anyway:
			:* Captcha is broken with discussion tools. That is a known bug with the extensions and I am not sure when it will be fixed, hopefully we tune the confirmed/autoconfirmed user process to allow people to skip them as soon as possible.
			:* The <nowiki><br></nowiki> tags are restricted purspose this has to do with what bots like to use to spam on the wiki. This will likely not change.
			:On the extension conversation:
			:* Hidden fields like you describe is what the cargo extension would basically provide but it would allow querring by field and using SQL syntax.
			:* Yes work on the extension has started here https://github.com/WayneKeenan/ClintonCAT coordinating with the devs there would probably be for the best. I am sure they would be open to discussing this.
			:There is some conversation on a thred on the on-topic chanell on the discord server as well. [[User:Kostas\|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas\|talk]]) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)