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:[http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1645637 "A systematic approach to qualification of 90 nm low K flip chip"] - Amkor/IBM study mentioned in the above video. I don't know if this is free to access; I'll check it later to be sure.

:Side note for anyone new to editing if they want to contribute: in regards to Felix's videos, remember he's usually not the ''primary'' source for the info he's stating in the video, and the best thing to link in the actual article is the primary source (e.g., don't reference Felix- reference the study that ''he'' referenced!). [[User:Vindicator4021|- V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 15:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

::Checked the Amkor/IBM study's link. It's not free. (Argh!) But I cited the "journal" (which was technically a conference) anyway, because it's a bit too important to leave out.

::It's ''technically'' accessible via means that are probably not appropriate to directly mention on this wiki. So, I'll leave it at this: if you happen to know... I'm gonna call it ''science journal black magic'', you can check it out. [[User:Vindicator4021|- V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 14:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

:::As usual, I post and then I find something else lol

:::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ef8bDQktI - This is the news segment that Felix had towards the beginning of his PS3 Story video- with the guys telling the hosts how poor Sony's service for them was. It's a BBC Watchdog segment.

:::Note: IIRC, Felix did not want to fully attribute this section in the video because at one point in this segment, they show some guys reflowing the motherboards using a reflow oven- which of course, isn't a real fix. He didn't want to spread misinformation on how to fix the Yellow Light of Death. However, there are bits in this segment that are important to this article, so it can be used here. [[User:Vindicator4021|- V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 15:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

::::http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8263063.stm - Apparently, SCEE's vice president at the time wasn't too happy about Watchdog's segment, and he sent a strongly worded letter to the BBC over it- which the BBC responded to in this linked article. [[User:Vindicator4021|- V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 02:12, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

:Okay- I'd say this article's in the final stretch, and the stuff about the PS3 and Xbox 360 are pretty much done, so I've linked to it from Sony and Microsoft's pages. (Subject to change.) Other than the PS3 consumer response, all that needs done from here is just Nvidia stuff (AKA, as I've come to find out: "the hard part"). I knew about the class action Nvidia got slapped with over this because of Felix's video, but it was somehow still quite annoying to find some of these refs about Nvidia's involvement, so here they are:

:https://web.archive.org/web/20101001080640/http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/index.html - Here's a page on the "Nvidia GPU Litigation" where people who wanted to take part in the settlement could get more info on it and, well, take part.

:https://web.archive.org/web/20101001080616/http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/affectedmodels.html - Affected models for the Nvidia settlement. According to this, Dell, HP, and Apple computers were also affected by this. If research proves that their responses are relevant enough, they may get their own segments in this article at some point. However, they weren't parties to this lawsuit, so it's very possible that they won't be relevant enough.

:I'm also gonna take the opportunity to clarify this to any future editors as well: from what I understand, Bumpgate was technically not entirely their fault. (If it was, why would ''ATI'' chips have the same problem?) They just ended up taking much of the blame for it because they got sued. Nonetheless, what little I currently know about their response does seem potentially relevant, hence why it's going into the article.

:As usual, will update if I find any more sources. [[User:Vindicator4021|- V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 15:14, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

::Found some info on Apple's role in all this! Found it on the Wikipedia page for the Macbook Pro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro#Aluminum_(2006%E2%80%932008) The last paragraph in the 2006-2008 section mentions that there were defects in those GPUs that sound awfully familiar. In addition, it used a Tesla architecture GPU- which I have heard (not fully confirmed) had a few Bumpgate-affected models. The above linked "affected models" page for the Nvidia suit pretty much confirms- this was Bumpgate.

::https://gizmodo.com/apple-confirms-failing-nvidia-graphics-cards-in-macbook-5061605 - Details Apple's response, which I'll include in the article, because I think it's relevant enough. TL;DR is that they basically responded the same way Microsoft did with the Xbox 360: ignored it at first, but later extended warranty (except to ''four'' years) and refunded folks who paid to fix it before. [[User:Vindicator4021|- V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 19:02, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

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 :[http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1645637 "A systematic approach to qualification of 90 nm low K flip chip"] - Amkor/IBM study mentioned in the above video. I don't know if this is free to access; I'll check it later to be sure.
 :Side note for anyone new to editing if they want to contribute: in regards to Felix's videos, remember he's usually not the ''primary'' source for the info he's stating in the video, and the best thing to link in the actual article is the primary source (e.g., don't reference Felix- reference the study that ''he'' referenced!). [[User:Vindicator4021|&#45; V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 15:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
+::Checked the Amkor/IBM study's link. It's not free. (Argh!) But I cited the "journal" (which was technically a conference) anyway, because it's a bit too important to leave out.
+::It's ''technically'' accessible via means that are probably not appropriate to directly mention on this wiki. So, I'll leave it at this: if you happen to know... I'm gonna call it ''science journal black magic'', you can check it out. [[User:Vindicator4021|&#45; V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 14:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
+:::As usual, I post and then I find something else lol
+:::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ef8bDQktI - This is the news segment that Felix had towards the beginning of his PS3 Story video- with the guys telling the hosts how poor Sony's service for them was. It's a BBC Watchdog segment.
+:::Note: IIRC, Felix did not want to fully attribute this section in the video because at one point in this segment, they show some guys reflowing the motherboards using a reflow oven- which of course, isn't a real fix. He didn't want to spread misinformation on how to fix the Yellow Light of Death. However, there are bits in this segment that are important to this article, so it can be used here. [[User:Vindicator4021|&#45; V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 15:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
+::::http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8263063.stm - Apparently, SCEE's vice president at the time wasn't too happy about Watchdog's segment, and he sent a strongly worded letter to the BBC over it- which the BBC responded to in this linked article. [[User:Vindicator4021|&#45; V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 02:12, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
+:Okay- I'd say this article's in the final stretch, and the stuff about the PS3 and Xbox 360 are pretty much done, so I've linked to it from Sony and Microsoft's pages. (Subject to change.) Other than the PS3 consumer response, all that needs done from here is just Nvidia stuff (AKA, as I've come to find out: "the hard part"). I knew about the class action Nvidia got slapped with over this because of Felix's video, but it was somehow still quite annoying to find some of these refs about Nvidia's involvement, so here they are:
+:https://web.archive.org/web/20101001080640/http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/index.html - Here's a page on the "Nvidia GPU Litigation" where people who wanted to take part in the settlement could get more info on it and, well, take part.
+:https://web.archive.org/web/20101001080616/http://www.nvidiasettlement.com/affectedmodels.html - Affected models for the Nvidia settlement. According to this, Dell, HP, and Apple computers were also affected by this. If research proves that their responses are relevant enough, they may get their own segments in this article at some point. However, they weren't parties to this lawsuit, so it's very possible that they won't be relevant enough.
+:I'm also gonna take the opportunity to clarify this to any future editors as well: from what I understand, Bumpgate was technically not entirely their fault. (If it was, why would ''ATI'' chips have the same problem?) They just ended up taking much of the blame for it because they got sued. Nonetheless, what little I currently know about their response does seem potentially relevant, hence why it's going into the article.
+:As usual, will update if I find any more sources. [[User:Vindicator4021|&#45; V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 15:14, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
+::Found some info on Apple's role in all this! Found it on the Wikipedia page for the Macbook Pro: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro#Aluminum_(2006%E2%80%932008) The last paragraph in the 2006-2008 section mentions that there were defects in those GPUs that sound awfully familiar. In addition, it used a Tesla architecture GPU- which I have heard (not fully confirmed) had a few Bumpgate-affected models. The above linked "affected models" page for the Nvidia suit pretty much confirms- this was Bumpgate.
+::https://gizmodo.com/apple-confirms-failing-nvidia-graphics-cards-in-macbook-5061605 - Details Apple's response, which I'll include in the article, because I think it's relevant enough. TL;DR is that they basically responded the same way Microsoft did with the Xbox 360: ignored it at first, but later extended warranty (except to ''four'' years) and refunded folks who paid to fix it before. [[User:Vindicator4021|&#45; V (Vindicator4021)]] ([[User talk:Vindicator4021|talk]]) 19:02, 7 June 2025 (UTC)