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==stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful== | ==stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful== | ||
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:This probably depends on the level of coverage. have there been any news articles (local or otherwise) which are complaining about this? Forcing the customer to use unneccesarily invasive software to access a service is something which definitely fits within the wiki's scope, and anything which is happening across a whole ISP would be large-scale enough, but the final thing an article needs is good sources [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:27, 15 August 2025 (UTC) | :This probably depends on the level of coverage. have there been any news articles (local or otherwise) which are complaining about this? Forcing the customer to use unneccesarily invasive software to access a service is something which definitely fits within the wiki's scope, and anything which is happening across a whole ISP would be large-scale enough, but the final thing an article needs is good sources [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:27, 15 August 2025 (UTC) | ||
:I'm noticing a double standard of "pc app dependence" being ok and "phone app" dependency being less than ok. I believe that mobile devices should be equally capable as desktop devices, especially when you put windows and android tablets side by side. | |||
:There are both cases of "companion software"<sup>1</sup> getting obsolete on their respective platform for one reason or another. Despite outnumbering desktop devices, I noted : shorter device lifespan, faster software obsolescence cycle (think [https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/256364/app-not-installed-as-app-isnt-compatible-with-your-phone-when-installing-apks android 14]), difficulty of support on different hardware, exposure to phenomenal amounts of user data, (not getting treated seriously?). | |||
:Over-reliance on companion software for product operation or basic features access is present on both desktop and mobile. | |||
:<sup>1</sup>Companion software - gives convenient access or expands features of a hardware or software product. Examples include Microtik WinBox, Eero, etc... | |||
:p.s. I'm not aware of any existing term describing something you'd download to use something, but "companion software" seems alright. Actually now that I think about it, drivers and libraries are a kind of companion software too. [[User:Yappermaster69|Yappermaster69]] ([[User talk:Yappermaster69|talk]]) 18:55, 29 August 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Cruzaders kings 2 incident.== | ==Cruzaders kings 2 incident.== | ||
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:::I removed it for reasons stated previously - it (at least the way it was phrased in the entry) did not seem like something which would fit on the wiki [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC) | :::I removed it for reasons stated previously - it (at least the way it was phrased in the entry) did not seem like something which would fit on the wiki [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC) | ||
== Replace PrivacyTools.io with PrivacyGuides == | ==Replace PrivacyTools.io with PrivacyGuides== | ||
As per PrivacyGuides FAQ page https://www.privacyguides.org/en/about/privacytools/ | As per PrivacyGuides FAQ page https://www.privacyguides.org/en/about/privacytools/ | ||
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The current PrivacyTools.io site has obvious but undisclosed sponsored promotions of Nord Security products (NordVPN, Surfshark, Incogni) and maybe others as well. The events that transpired that led to the forming of PrivacyGuides are verifiable through searching community posts at the time and other sources. For those that remember the "leading" members of PrivacyTools at the time (Jonah Aragon, Daniel Gray, Niek-de-Wilde, freddy...), all of them were the ones who made PrivacyGuides and moved along with the whole community. Their forum and other channels are filled with community discussion and all recommendation additions and removals are debated in public as was the case with PrivacyTools in the past. Meanwhile today PrivacyTools.io doesn't even have an "About" page or anything,and while there is a Github page linked on the site, there doesn't seem to be a way to actually contribute (https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacy-tools/discussions/18). | The current PrivacyTools.io site has obvious but undisclosed sponsored promotions of Nord Security products (NordVPN, Surfshark, Incogni) and maybe others as well. The events that transpired that led to the forming of PrivacyGuides are verifiable through searching community posts at the time and other sources. For those that remember the "leading" members of PrivacyTools at the time (Jonah Aragon, Daniel Gray, Niek-de-Wilde, freddy...), all of them were the ones who made PrivacyGuides and moved along with the whole community. Their forum and other channels are filled with community discussion and all recommendation additions and removals are debated in public as was the case with PrivacyTools in the past. Meanwhile today PrivacyTools.io doesn't even have an "About" page or anything,and while there is a Github page linked on the site, there doesn't seem to be a way to actually contribute (https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacy-tools/discussions/18). | ||
== Addition of NOYB.eu to the Consumer Tools section == | ==Addition of NOYB.eu to the Consumer Tools section== | ||
Suggestion to add https://noyb.eu/en to one of the subsections of the Consumer Tools sections. Possibly in the "Legal & complaint filing" subsection. It's a non-profit, specifically about data privacy and protection within the EU. [[User:Socks|Socks]] ([[User talk:Socks|talk]]) 17:05, 16 August 2025 (UTC) | Suggestion to add https://noyb.eu/en to one of the subsections of the Consumer Tools sections. Possibly in the "Legal & complaint filing" subsection. It's a non-profit, specifically about data privacy and protection within the EU. [[User:Socks|Socks]] ([[User talk:Socks|talk]]) 17:05, 16 August 2025 (UTC) | ||
== Need to confer with Champion Power Equipment employees == | ==Need to confer with Champion Power Equipment employees== | ||
I'm a small engine mechanic and I'm going to start a post about the dual fuel generators they produce. They are flawed regardless of intentions, and would like exact specs if anyone has that information, Mainly need the cylinder, and piston specs as well as the dry fuel ratio. | I'm a small engine mechanic and I'm going to start a post about the dual fuel generators they produce. They are flawed regardless of intentions, and would like exact specs if anyone has that information, Mainly need the cylinder, and piston specs as well as the dry fuel ratio. | ||
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If anyone on here is an employee in their parts department, or a similar department with access to publicly known part numbers and specs please reach out, the small engine industry is a problem lately that's only getting worse. It would be nice to document issues that arise It would also be nice to have someone with engineering experience and credentials to verify data and calculate it themselves, especially in the gas powered equipment sector/industry [[User:The Wang|The Wang]] ([[User talk:The Wang|talk]]) 20:20, 16 August 2025 (UTC) | If anyone on here is an employee in their parts department, or a similar department with access to publicly known part numbers and specs please reach out, the small engine industry is a problem lately that's only getting worse. It would be nice to document issues that arise It would also be nice to have someone with engineering experience and credentials to verify data and calculate it themselves, especially in the gas powered equipment sector/industry [[User:The Wang|The Wang]] ([[User talk:The Wang|talk]]) 20:20, 16 August 2025 (UTC) | ||
==Will this wiki publish regular backups?== | |||
The Wikimedia Foundation regularly publishes [https://dumps.wikimedia.org/ compressed archives] of its wikis. This sets an example I wish every website with text-based user-generated contributions would follow. It is important to preserve the contribution history should this site go offline. Besides, text is well compressable. | |||
Many websites in the past have shut down with little to no warning, resulting in the loss of years of volunteer contributions. We need to pre-empt this. | |||
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Issue: No Backup, No Distribution | |||
For reasons and examples stated in this article, any centralized web-based service will go offline some day. Some sooner, some later. Popularity is not even a guarantee that a service gets continued | |||
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Source: [https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/ Karl Voit]. | |||
[[User:Elominius|Elominius]] ([[User talk:Elominius|talk]]) 03:59, 17 August 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Suggestion: install view counters== | |||
Please install [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters HitCounters] for MediaWiki. This extension shows the view counts an article is getting. It would be nice to see it. [[User:Elominius|Elominius]] ([[User talk:Elominius|talk]]) 08:15, 17 August 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Hi, I am new here!== | |||
So I was wondering about the overall things of the consumer wiki by Louis Rossman (Apologies if I get the name wrong), and so I decided to join on the bandwagon. But I do have a question: Why is this wiki centered around the US? I live in a different continent, predominately, Europe. I do have a reason since most of which the "Consumer Tools" is centered around the US, such as the Better Business Bureau, FDA, and others. Since my homeland doesn't exactly have those said agencies like you guys do, and that is what I have been wondering about. | |||
Thank you, uh, sincerely, anonymous. [[User:Jerry468|Jerry468]] ([[User talk:Jerry468|talk]]) 17:48, 23 August 2025 (UTC) | |||
:@[[User:Jerry468|Jerry468]] Most of our contributors are from the US, and Rossmann himself is American. But this is a global wiki and we would welcome your contributions, especially in Europe. I think ideally the goal is to have coverage of consumer rights violations everywhere. We just are not yet there. Thanks for signing up! '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 18:45, 23 August 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Suggestion: Implementing a /robots.txt page== | |||
[[wikipedia:Robots.txt|Robots.txt]] is a page that's used by web crawlers to set rules, like disallow pages or crawl delay. I just noticed that this [https://consumerrights.wiki/robots.txt page] is missing. Maybe duckduckgo's crawler will finally index this wiki. [[User:Yappermaster69|Yappermaster69]] ([[User talk:Yappermaster69|talk]]) 21:26, 23 August 2025 (UTC) | |||
:I've passed this on to the infra guys! thank you for pointing it out [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 22:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Suggestion: Consumer Rights Wins== | |||
Hello, I'm a new contributor. | |||
I would like to suggest the creation of a page/category where we can advocate for products/services that are 'consumer rights wins' with repairability or other features that qualify them as a good investment or a not-crappy-capitalist-product. | |||
I don't know whether this already exists or not but I could not find it if it does. | |||
For example: | |||
Framework laptops https://frame.work/: user repairable and expandable to a huge degree with customization. | |||
Epson ink tank printers https://epson.com/ecotank-ink-tank-printers: While the ink tanks do have 'keyed' fill holes, it is far easier to bypass that mechanism than DRM on competitor brand ink cartridges. Even the genuine ink bottles are far cheaper in all metrics, and produce far less environmental waste. According to Epson, a set of black and color bottles (sold for $75.95) replaces approximately 80 cartridges and prints ~6000 pages black and ~5500 pages color. Not having DRM also helps prevent software issues even when using genuine cartridges. [[User:Joe Schmo|Joe Schmo]] ([[User talk:Joe Schmo|talk]]) 16:01, 2 September 2025 (UTC) | |||
:This has been suggested a bit. I think it could be useful to share wins as a result of this wiki or the clippy movement? I believe that sharing general good consumer protection isn't considered in scope here, just to keep this wiki focused on rights violations. '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 16:05, 2 September 2025 (UTC) | |||
==Please whitelist creativecommons.org== | |||
I don't know where to ask for this (not Discord for reasons below). Could you please whitelist creativecommons.org? It is clearly not spam. | |||
I quit using Discord the second they demanded my phone number. See also: | |||
*https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord | |||
*https://wowana.me/blog/guess-im-done-with-discord.xht | |||
[[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] ([[User talk:JodyBruchonFan|talk]]) 10:42, 7 September 2025 (UTC) | |||
:@[[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] Have added this to the correct place (click [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard#Please whitelist Creative Commons|here]] to find it) and also I’m pretty sure mods want to move from discord and you don’t really need it to talk to mods anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:35, 7 September 2025 (UTC) | |||