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:::I agree that subdivisiion probably makes sense. However, at this point I don't have a clear idea of what bits to split off. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 08:51, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | :::I agree that subdivisiion probably makes sense. However, at this point I don't have a clear idea of what bits to split off. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 08:51, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::I am unclear why those particular items seem out of scope. Perhaps you could give more detail? What scoping rule do they violate? Is it because they are primarily "old" consumer concerns, rather than "new" ones? [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | :::I am unclear why those particular items seem out of scope. Perhaps you could give more detail? What scoping rule do they violate? Is it because they are primarily "old" consumer concerns, rather than "new" ones? [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
::::Upon rereading @[[User:Keith|Keith]]'s post, I think maybe I see a bit of how we see these issues differently. I see all of the issues I mentioned through the lense of how they affect the general public. (Whether users, or non-users who are affected by AI or its uses.) Therefore, I see them all as "consumer" issues. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 10:21, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::'''Control of information.''' Access to information is one of the central pillars of right to repair. Since AI radically changes what information people access, I am missing why it is out of scope. | :::'''Control of information.''' Access to information is one of the central pillars of right to repair. Since AI radically changes what information people access, I am missing why it is out of scope. | ||
:::AI summaries in search lead to: Loss of independent journalism.[https://www.404media.co/the-medias-pivot-to-ai-is-not-real-and-not-going-to-work/ The Media's Pivot to AI Is Not Real and Not Going to Work] Loss of review sights. Reviews provided by AI regurgitate manufacturer specs, give incorrect information about products, give questionable recommendations.[https://housefresh.com/beware-of-the-google-ai-salesman/ Beware of the Google AI salesman and its cronies] I haven't seen sources on this, but I see no reason why sites that post repair information/fora would be exempted from this widespread pattern. | :::AI summaries in search lead to: Loss of independent journalism.[https://www.404media.co/the-medias-pivot-to-ai-is-not-real-and-not-going-to-work/ The Media's Pivot to AI Is Not Real and Not Going to Work] Loss of review sights. Reviews provided by AI regurgitate manufacturer specs, give incorrect information about products, give questionable recommendations.[https://housefresh.com/beware-of-the-google-ai-salesman/ Beware of the Google AI salesman and its cronies] I haven't seen sources on this, but I see no reason why sites that post repair information/fora would be exempted from this widespread pattern. | ||
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:::Definitely consumer concerns and therefore I think worth mentioning. The cost of AI is largely hidden. Simply acknowledging that these are consumer concerns with AI, and pointing to good places to get started with the issues. In an overview article, if we only list "new" consumer concerns, it may make things needlessly difficult for the reader. | :::Definitely consumer concerns and therefore I think worth mentioning. The cost of AI is largely hidden. Simply acknowledging that these are consumer concerns with AI, and pointing to good places to get started with the issues. In an overview article, if we only list "new" consumer concerns, it may make things needlessly difficult for the reader. | ||
:::'''Data Centers.''' Electricity rates are projected to go up precipitously because of AI. Pollution and greenhouse gasses affect everybody. (MS, Google missing carbon reduction goals because of AI.) Tax subsidies are paid for by broad segments of the population. | :::'''Data Centers.''' Electricity rates are projected to go up precipitously because of AI. Pollution and greenhouse gasses affect everybody. (MS, Google missing carbon reduction goals because of AI.) Tax subsidies are paid for by broad segments of the population. | ||
::::In siting an AI data center, the local commissioners and the company typically make the secret deal, where the company gets public subsidy of electricity, taxes, water, etc., and the community gets a few jobs (at several million per job), plus whatever other arrangements. Even though consumers are excluded from the negotiations, that is still a consumer issue, since consumers pay the electricity rates, they breathe the air polluted by the on-site gas generators, they have their wells polluted by excessive water draw, they deal with noise pollution, the community has to deal with the electronic waste, etc. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 10:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::'''Labor concerns.''' People make choices about clothing brands based on how the people making the clothes are treated. Why should it be different with AI. Just because I am not the person getting [bleeped] by the corporation, doesn't mean it is only between the business and the employee. Sure, not everybody cares, but I think clippies might. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | :::'''Labor concerns.''' People make choices about clothing brands based on how the people making the clothes are treated. Why should it be different with AI. Just because I am not the person getting [bleeped] by the corporation, doesn't mean it is only between the business and the employee. Sure, not everybody cares, but I think clippies might. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::'''Intellectual property''' Perhaps I could have picked a more evocative title? For the purposes of AI, every person is a "creative." This concerns use of your e-mails/facebook posts/tweets/photographs/security camera footage/footage from your roomba/footage from your cars cameras/etc. for training AI. Ownerships of the logs of where you go, what you buy (and where and when). Who you communicate with. Ownership of your medical scans. The output of your medical monitors (CGM, CPAP, pacemaker, smart watch, etc.), and their use in training/advertising/whatever. Publication of your AI queries, your chat logs. Use of AI responses. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:58, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | :::'''Intellectual property''' Perhaps I could have picked a more evocative title? For the purposes of AI, every person is a "creative." This concerns use of your e-mails/facebook posts/tweets/photographs/security camera footage/footage from your roomba/footage from your cars cameras/etc. for training AI. Ownerships of the logs of where you go, what you buy (and where and when). Who you communicate with. Ownership of your medical scans. The output of your medical monitors (CGM, CPAP, pacemaker, smart watch, etc.), and their use in training/advertising/whatever. Publication of your AI queries, your chat logs. Use of AI responses. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:58, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
::::I suppose "big data" might be a useful adjunct term to use here. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 10:03, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | |||
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I posted an appeal request regarding article deletion. Things I would like to see in this article are listed under scope. I think easier to edit existing article than start new one. | I posted an appeal request regarding article deletion. Things I would like to see in this article are listed under scope. I think easier to edit existing article than start new one. | ||
If you have an opinion one-way or the other, please add on to the appeal discussion on the moderator page (wouldn't want multiple appeals). Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 18:41, 4 September 2025 (UTC) | If you have an opinion one-way or the other, please add on to the appeal discussion on the moderator page (wouldn't want multiple appeals). Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 18:41, 4 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
== Sources - potentially useful == | |||
General sources: | |||
Pivot to AI. https://pivot-to-ai.com/ By UK journalist David Gerard. Daily news item about AI. He wrote about cryptocurrency. He noticed that many of the same people who had been promoting crypto took the same pitches and applied them to AI. So he similarly pivoted to AI. | |||
Ed Zitron's Where's Your Ed At https://www.wheresyoured.at/ Journalist and PR professional, reports on financial aspects of AI. | |||
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