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::::How is this different than a big data company, like facebook? Collecting/creating profiles of people is "just what they do." Should we not talk about advertisers using web bugs to track people, just as we shouldn't talk about the NSA using the same technique to track people? Seems like a distinction without a difference.

::::(I am not especially interested in this area, so on a practical level, I don't plan to markedly expand coverage of the NSA. I have been struggling to understand the editorial stance here.) I am just not following what the important differences are. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 19:23, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::I think I did miss that, and yes, the clipper chip sounds like something which could be sensible to include.

:::::When I mentioned that, I was thinking more about their tapping into undersea cables and the like. That stuff seems to fall pretty cleanly into the civil/human rights sphere, and is not really relevant to consumer rights. Personally I'm skeptical about assuming that they would sell data they collect in that way (for a government agency like that, as well as the buyers of the data, the risk/reward just seems way out of whack) unless evidence was presented. I suppose the main distinction here is whether their action is affecting a seller-consumer relationship in any way. The clipper chip works because it is a Govt program which directly affects the consumer-company relationship and consumer purchases in a negative way, by forcing a compromised and poorly designed 'encryption' device into consumer products. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

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 ::::How is this different than a big data company, like facebook?  Collecting/creating profiles of people is "just what they do."  Should we not talk about advertisers using web bugs to track people, just as we shouldn't talk about the NSA using the same technique to track people?  Seems like a distinction without a difference.
 ::::(I am not especially interested in this area, so on a practical level, I don't plan to markedly expand coverage of the NSA.  I have been struggling to understand the editorial stance here.)  I am just not following what the important differences are.  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 19:23, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
+:::::I think I did miss that, and yes, the clipper chip sounds like something which could be sensible to include.
+:::::When I mentioned that, I was thinking more about their tapping into undersea cables and the like. That stuff seems to fall pretty cleanly into the civil/human rights sphere, and is not really relevant to consumer rights. Personally I'm skeptical about assuming that they would sell data they collect in that way (for a government agency like that, as well as the buyers of the data, the risk/reward just seems way out of whack) unless evidence was presented. I suppose the main distinction here is whether their action is affecting a seller-consumer relationship in any way. The clipper chip works because it is a Govt program which directly affects the consumer-company relationship and consumer purchases in a negative way, by forcing a compromised and poorly designed 'encryption' device into consumer products. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)