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::Can you please stop stalking my contributions page? :P [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:23, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
::Can you please stop stalking my contributions page? :P [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:23, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm sure I'll never surpass you, but I can try!  [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 19:02, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
:::I'm sure I'll never surpass you, but I can try!  [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 19:02, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
::Medical Device Company Tells Hospitals They're No Longer Allowed to Fix Machine That Costs Six Figures https://www.404media.co/medical-device-company-tells-hospitals-theyre-no-longer-allowed-to-fix-machine-that-costs-six-figures/
::(Cambridge study) The Right to Repair Software-Dependent Medical Devices <nowiki>https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-law-medicine-and-ethics/article/abs/right-to-repair-softwaredependent-medical-devices/F08B93DD92327BAA34D4D67476A424C9</nowiki> [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 22:20, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
::Ethical and Legal Implications of Remote Monitoring of Medical Devices
::<nowiki>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7772635/</nowiki> [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 22:24, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
:::I got notifications for this! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:27, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't even know how to stop that lol [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:40, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
:New Senate Right to Repair bill to reduce barriers to fixing medical equipment including ventilators https://pirg.org/media-center/new-senate-right-to-repair-bill-to-reduce-barriers-to-fixing-medical-equipment-including-ventilators/
:Hospitals need ventilators to keep severe COVID-19 patients alive. They might not be able to fix them without paying the manufacturer $7,000 per technician.https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-manufacturers-dont-let-hospitals-fix-coronavirus-right-to-repair-2020-5?op=1
:A Medical Device Maker Threatens iFixit Over Ventilator Repair Project https://www.vice.com/en/article/a-medical-device-maker-threatens-ifixit-over-ventilator-repair-project/
:Deadly DRM: Right to Repair a Life-or-Death Problem During the Coronavirus Pandemic https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/312560-deadly-drm-right-to-repair-a-life-or-death-problem-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic
:Ventilator Companies Finally Make the Life Saving Devices Easier to Repair https://www.vice.com/en/article/ventilator-companies-finally-make-the-life-saving-devices-easier-to-repair/
:https://scholarship.shu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1816&context=shlr [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 22:05, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
::During the COVID crisis, manufacturers like General Electric, Dräger, Steris, locked down the supply of spare parts, software and repair manuals behind expensive certifications for technicians, [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 22:08, 25 September 2025 (UTC)
:::Thats the thing, you can’t. I’m choosing to click the subscribe button to this without unsubscribing! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:40, 26 September 2025 (UTC)
:Medtronic's failure to deliver:
:https://robertleeread.medium.com/medtronic-open-source-ventilator-does-not-meet-uks-rapidly-manufactured-ventilator-systems-81947c72a7ac
:[https://news.medtronic.com/2020-04-08-Medtronic-Provides-Ventilator-Progress-Update?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://news.medtronic.com/2020-04-08-Medtronic-Provides-Ventilator-Progress-Update]
:[https://hackaday.com/2020/03/30/professional-ventilator-design-open-sourced-today-by-medtronic/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://hackaday.com/2020/03/30/professional-ventilator-design-open-sourced-today-by-medtronic]
:https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/30/medtronic-makes-plans-for-a-ventilator-open-source.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com
:Pubmed article related to open-sourcing med equipment:
:[https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7195895/?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7195895] [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:54, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
::Chatgpt dump
::Yes — there are several other documented instances from the COVID‑19 pandemic where ventilator manufacturers or contract suppliers promised large scale production, open designs/manuals, or rapid delivery — and later failed to deliver in full, or placed proprietary/restrictive conditions. Here are some of the more notable ones:
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::Notable examples
::'''1. Medtronic / Covidien / Newport Medical Instruments'''
::*A U.S. government-funded project by Newport aimed to build a low-cost ventilator for pandemics, but after Newport was acquired by Covidien, the project stalled and no ventilators were delivered. ([https://www.mdpi.com/2504-4494/4/2/49?utm_source=chatgpt.com MDPI])
::*The review of open-source ventilator designs notes that many manufacturers claimed “open” but had restrictive licenses (e.g., for pandemic only, or time-limited) so they were '''not''' true open-source hardware. ([https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7195895/?utm_source=chatgpt.com PMC])
::*Also, some manufacturers (including Medtronic) did '''not''' make repair manuals freely available or permitted third-party servicing. ([https://prospect.org/coronavirus/covid-consequences-restricted-repair-ventilators/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Prospect])
::'''2. Repair/access issues across ventilator manufacturers'''
::*Technical repair freedom: Several sources highlight that many ventilator makers imposed “software locks” or refused to release service manuals, making it hard for hospitals or third-party technicians to repair machines during the crisis. ([https://www.vice.com/en/article/ventilator-makers-are-restricting-access-to-repair-manuals-in-a-pure-profit-play/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Vice])
::*From one piece: > “Major manufacturers… hoarding parts and service manuals.” ([https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a32144222/hospitals-ventilators-right-repair-covid-19/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Popular Mechanics])
::'''3. Ford Motor Company / General Electric manufacturing promise'''
::*Ford (in partnership with GE) committed to making 50,000 ventilators by mid-July, but hit global parts-supply delays and delivered fewer than half by the initial deadline. ([https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/18/ventilators-coronavirus-stockpile/?utm_source=chatgpt.com The Washington Post])
::*The Washington Post article noted: “the push … has also run into hiccups: … the company … had made fewer than half the devices by its initial deadline.” ([https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/08/18/ventilators-coronavirus-stockpile/?utm_source=chatgpt.com The Washington Post])
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::What patterns emerge
::*'''Promises vs reality timing''': Many big-scale pledges (tens of thousands of ventilators) were made under pandemic urgency, but supply chain, regulatory, design and manufacturing complexity delayed or reduced output.
::*'''“Open source” vs restricted access''': Some companies claimed to open manuals/designs, but in practice the license was limited (pandemic only), or key details/components remained proprietary, meaning third-party manufacturing or wide replication was difficult. (See open source review) ([https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7195895/?utm_source=chatgpt.com PMC])
::*'''Right to repair / servicing barriers''': While the crisis emphasised the need for rapid servicing of ventilators in use, many manufacturers kept tight control on parts, manuals, and repair rights — limiting flexibility for hospitals/biomedical engineers.
::*'''Mergers, acquisition & strategic decisions''': Some delays trace back to corporate strategy — e.g., the Newport/Covidien acquisition and subsequent shelving of a low-cost design. ([https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/04/06/vent-a06.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com World Socialist Web Site])
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::[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:55, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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:::3. Licensing / Design Restrictions of Existing Manufactures (EU / UK Context)
:::*According to an expert report for the UK’s UK COVID‑19 Public Inquiry, existing ventilator manufacturers refused to grant licences of their approved designs to allow scale-up by third parties (for reasons including component shortages, liability concerns). ([https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/04181843/INQ000539153.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com UK Covid-19 Inquiry])
:::*In effect, rather than sharing open designs or allowing mass third-party manufacture, many health-system actors found little scope to replicate validated ventilators rapidly.  '''Key takeaway:''' The promise/hope of open access or broad manufacturing collaboration met resistance from proprietary design holders — limiting scale-up.
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:::4. Design & Manual / Consumables Shortcomings (Imported Devices)
:::*As part of the UK inquiry: one supplier’s devices were delivered “with just two days of consumables necessary to use such ventilators and no information about future consumable supply” — meaning they were functionally unusable for extended patient care. ([https://ukcovid19inquiry.dracos.co.uk/module-5/2025-03-17/?utm_source=chatgpt.com UK Covid-19 Inquiry Transcripts])  '''Key takeaway:''' Technical and logistical details (manuals, consumables, servicing) often failed to match the headline promise of “ready to use”.
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:::[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:00, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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:::🔒 3. Ventilator Right-to-Repair Failures (Philips, Dräger, Hamilton, etc.)
:::'''The claim:''' Manufacturers pledged to “do everything possible” to keep ventilators running during the crisis.
:::'''Reality:'''
:::* Many refused to share repair manuals or software keys with hospitals.
:::* Philips and Dräger in particular restricted access to firmware updates, citing “liability and security.”
:::* Hospitals were forced to cannibalize parts or rely on gray-market servicing.  '''Why it’s comparable:''' These companies didn’t frame it as open source, but they ''publicly signaled cooperation'' while continuing to enforce proprietary repair barriers — effectively undermining pandemic response.  → Vice and Popular Mechanics ran exposés accusing them of “hoarding repair data during a global emergency.”
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:::🧠 4. Dyson (CoVent Project)
:::'''The claim:''' Build 10,000 new ventilators “within weeks” for the UK NHS.
:::'''Reality:'''
:::* No units were ever delivered to hospitals; the design never gained regulatory approval.
:::* Dyson claimed “we are ready,” but later internal documents (UK COVID Inquiry, 2025) showed there were known compatibility and safety concerns.  '''Why it’s comparable:''' The company ''over-promised technological readiness'' to the public and government, despite the project being unproven.  → This was more about '''engineering hubris''' than IP restriction, but the PR mismatch was just as stark.
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:::⚖️ 5. Newport / Covidien (Pre-Pandemic Project That Might Have Saved Lives)
:::'''The claim (pre-2012):''' Newport Medical Instruments was developing a $3,000 ventilator under a U.S. pandemic preparedness contract.
:::'''Reality:'''
:::* Covidien (Medtronic’s parent company later) bought Newport in 2012 and canceled the project, citing “profitability concerns.”
:::* The U.S. government had to restart the program from scratch in 2014 — it was unfinished when COVID-19 hit.  '''Why it’s comparable:''' Not a “pandemic promise broken,” but a '''strategic decision that crippled later emergency readiness''', closely tied to corporate consolidation and IP control.
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:::[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:03, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
==Requesting fix on medical ventilators article - newline after stubnotice==
Hi.  At the beginning of the [[Shortage of medical ventilators during the COVID pandemic]] article, the stubnotice template is on the same line as the first paragraph.  This means that non-administrators can not make any changes in the whole first paragraph.
Could you put a newline in after the stubnotice template, so others can edit.  Thanks.
I am asking you because I think it was one of your edits that removed the newline.  (May have been something the visual editor did.) 
I reported the issue on the bugs noticeboard.  Under how do you edit beginning of an article with StubNotice?  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 01:42, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't know why that happens, but I went ahead and added a new space in there. I wasn't aware that the first paragraph couldn't be edited. Not sure if that's a bug or not, but thanks for letting me know! [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 02:18, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
::Pretty sure it is a bug, as discussed [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Bugs#How do you edit beginning of an article with StubNotice?|here]]. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:09, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
==Question regarding merge==
Hello! Regarding the merge for [[License euthanasia]], was it merged with [[Retroactively amended purchase]] or [[Post-purchase EULA modification]]? It seems there is a double merge request, so I just wanted to double check with you. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 23:09, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
:This was the first I've actually used the merge request, so my mistake if I used it wrong! I added it to [[Post-purchase EULA modification]], so we're good. The other article "Retroactively..." appears to be AI generated and not worth saving in my opinion. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 01:52, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
::Ah no worries, thanks for letting me know! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 13:06, 16 October 2025 (UTC)