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| ==Itron article has been flagged for questionable relevance.== | | ==How will the CRW approach April Fool's day?== |
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| I believe the [[Itron]] article has been mistakenly flagged for questionable relevance. I have added several Incidents to the page to further show Itron's systemic patterns of consumer privacy violations please see the below: | | Hi, April Fool's day is next month and I don't want to initiate a discussion too late, so how would we approach it? My idea is 1) no jokes in articles, no exceptions and 2) clearly mark all jokes when they occur (I've made [[Template:April fools]] for this purpose). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:57, 2 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| ''Itron's Smart meters allow them to collect, process, and store data without the end users' knowledge. (1980-Present)'' | | :If my science textbook in school gave me a QR code that ends up rickrolling me I think I'll spend longer than 1 day being distracted about it... lol |
| | :In my opinion they should be contained within user pages and other types of pages the common person never visits, like having it as an extra link under Wiki policy or something. It would be really bad if someone in power happens to see it the one day they get told to visit a page on the wiki. Just my two cents... but then again I'm pretty biased against the day anyway [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 06:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::I don't even think we should have it under a link on Wiki policy, just silently add it with thr correct template the correct people internally will see it via recent changes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :Honestly, I don't think we will be doing one this year. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 07:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::Was there one last year? I don't think there was. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::There definitely wasn't. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::I've deleted the template. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::::Might be worth undeleting it... Louis came up with an idea for an April Fools, based on that Norwegian enshittification video from the other day. Basic concept is to enshittify the wiki (maybe just the main page, and with an off button, of course) for a day. I fully agree with no jokes in articles - that's just a pain to keep track of and undo, and could damage credibility if done without good taste. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:33, 4 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::::I have had my ideas, but I'll keep them secret for now. I'll undelete it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::::we could prob use the trollface as the wiki logo at least [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 04:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| ''NYSEG requires customers to switch to Itron Smart meters or face monthly charge (November 2022-Present)''
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| ''CenterPoint Energy requires customers to switch to Itron Smart meters or face one-time and monthly service charges (Unknown-Present)''
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| ''Southern California Edison requires customers to switch to Itron Smart meters or face monthly charge (Unknown-Present)'' | | Hello! The article [[Advertising overload]] is marked as incomplete and as relying on AI/LLMs. I believe I've addressed the original intent of both of these, though the bottom section ([[Advertising overload#Notable Examples]]) is still a stub. I think the AI status notice should be removed, and the Incomplete notice should be replaced with a Stub notice. |
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| Smart meter (and smart grid solutions) usage by utility companies involves a lot of layers but these are what I find to be most concerning:
| | Cheers! [[User:Scholar Silas|Scholar Silas]] ([[User talk:Scholar Silas|talk]]) 05:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| ''Lack of data privacy, utility companies can freely share customer data with third party smart meter companies (such as Itron) without customer knowledge.'' | | :{{Done}} including '''completely removing both notices''', not marking it as a stub. The article overall is very long, and if a section is all to complain about on a very long article, then it's definitely not a stub. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| ''Lack of freedom to choose whether or not you have a smart meter recording your electricity usage. This data can be used to infer all sorts of things from what kind of appliances you own to when you are home.''
| | ==Who gets superconfirmed first?== |
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| ''Itron's Data Processing Agreement is un-viewable (at least for me) and not easy to find either, and end users typically do not know they will have an Itron smart meter until after it is installed by their electric company.'' | | Hello, starting this discussion since the new superconfirmed usergroup has been added and we need to figure out who to give it to first. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| Itron is not the only smart meter and smart grid solutions game in town but they are big and not end user friendly,.
| | :Just tested it on [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsAlt]]; why can't it undelete pages? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:14, 13 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::I shall fix! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 00:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::Also @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] is semiprotection mow allowing superconfirmed users only as well as admins and not just normal confirmed users? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::Yes, autoconfirmed users no longer have the semiprotected permission. This was an intentional change requested by Keith [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 16:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| Thank Mods! [[User:Privacywarrior|Privacywarrior]] ([[User talk:Privacywarrior|talk]]) 19:11, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
| | ==add "Quasi-Wanted" Special page== |
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| :So sorry for not getting to this sooner.
| | There are Wikipedia articles linked from many different CRW articles. It'd be nice to see which topics are candidates for a dedicated article on CRW. I say "topics", just-in-case a future update adds support for non-WP "pseudo-internal" links (because WP links are shown as "internal" even though they aren't) |
| :For now, I've changed the relevancy tag to an incomplete one (lacking verification), the issue being that there are no sources that actually implicate itron in having done anything wrong, with most of the stuff surrounding 'maybe it could be/has been hacked' being authorial speculation insofar as I can tell.
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| :There's also no secondary reporting - i.e. no media sources cited as framing any of these things as a problem. This is something which should be there to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:54, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::Understood, unfortunately most of the articles I found the place blame on the distribution companies for invasive policies. The real issue is Itron has unlimited access to any of their smart meters data with out the end users knowledge. I am not quite sure how to capture this topic fully. [[User:Privacywarrior|Privacywarrior]] ([[User talk:Privacywarrior|talk]]) 14:40, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :::@[[User:Privacywarrior|Privacywarrior]] Not mad at you or anything but on Wikipedia at least its common practice to not edit the archive at all although I see why you did it, so I’ve reverted your edit there and added it back here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:57, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ==In the verifiability section, aren't government policies, regulations with propagandas/agendas allowed to be cited there?==
| | Apologies in advance if this is not a place for feature-requests [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| I'm just wondering if this can cause concerns for staffs in this wiki, for example [https://www.resecurity.com/blog/article/shinyhunters-attacked-vietnams-financial-system-cic-data-leak like this one] (there's english translation but it's all google translated and for full texts translation it's locked behind paywall, so apologies for that) [[User:Justarandomguy111|Justarandomguy111]] ([[User talk:Justarandomguy111|talk]]) 09:42, 18 October 2025 (UTC) | | ==Appeal request for Wikipedia article== |
| | I've been testing out the browser plugin for the last few days and noticed it popped up on Wikipedia. After reading [[Wikipedia#cite note-15]] I wanted to challenge whether this article belongs on Consumer Rights Wiki, as I don't think it fits with the [[Mission statement]] or [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Inclusion guidelines]] at time of writing. |
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| :Can you rephrase your question? I'm not sure exactly what you're asking or how the link you shared is relevant [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 12:29, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | Aside from mentioning that Wikipedia is big and influential (not necessarily a bad thing), there are two incidents listed. The first one relates to individual editors. The only citation for this mentions "Wikipedia has taken action against what it described as the “co-ordinated group” of fraudsters by blocking 381 accounts.". |
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| ==please delete all pages created by this user==
| | The second one is similar, it refers to behaviour of editors - the first citation mentions "Wikipedias in all languages, including English, are open to edits by any volunteers", and also mentions that "one of the ... admins at Scots Wikipedia, has called for native speakers to contribute as the community seeks to save the project.". |
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| [[Special:Contributions/81.221.216.80|this user]] creates chatgpt raw output articles. While i dont doubt the relevance of the information, the method of creation is odd, and frankly, detrimental to this website's reputation. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:56, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
| | In both cases I think this is a reasonable response from Wikipedia, they stepped in to address the issues by blocking abusive users, acknowledged the inaccuracies and called for people to help fix them. Wikipedia is free, it's hosted by a non-profit organisation and the editors are not working for Wikipedia, they are independent users of the platform. I don't think it's fair to blame them for user-generated content, and in my opinion it hurts the cause when we include articles like this alongside articles highlighting genuinely abusive business practices. [[User:DiffChar|DiffChar]] ([[User talk:DiffChar|talk]]) 23:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| :I’m not going to myself, but can one of the mods post a reminder to not do that? ChatGPT can be decent starting point '''if undetected''' and people keep updating it and it feels less sloppy, but this is out of hand. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:58, 19 October 2025 (UTC) | | :When this came up, I was very concerned but decided to leave it alone. Considering someone else thinks the exact same way as me, i think it's honestly a good idea atp for me to add a deletion request template (which anyone can do, by the way!) and refer back here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC) |
| ::Yeah, those ones are particularly bad. if they don't come back and clean them up by tomorrow I'll probably just delete them, as they're pretty much unusable as starting points [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:46, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ==So many pages with stub/incomplete notices==
| | :After looking it over myself, I agree - it's not relevant as it stands. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 19:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::I'd concur as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::Deleted. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| Hey there, I've been messing around pressing the random article button for a while. I've noticed that about 9/10 articles on this wiki have either a stub notice or a incomplete notice. I understand why : this wiki has limited resources to polish these articles and also wish not to add friction for article creation not to deter potential contributors. However, in my opinion, it kinda ruins the image of the website. It looks unpolished, unfinished and amateur.
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| Is there some plan to eventually add a little friction to the system, to incentivize polishing and finishing articles. I understand this can be complicated, but right now articles are being created with a title and maybe two or three links and then left there to rot. Dont get me wrong, I am also guilty of this, though i wish i werent, and i wish there was a system preventing this kind of low-effort-good-faith contribution.
| | I'm trying to edit this [[Dairy Queen]] article, however after adding the stub notice it won't allow me to edit anymore. @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 19:33, 23 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| | :{{Done}}. [[consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard/Archive_4#Can_a_mod_please_remove_this?|Easy mistake to make]]. Next time, put it at the start of the article '''and''' leave a space. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| thank you for hearing me [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 22:27, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Not a mod and this may be completely wrong (especially as I don’t use discord) but I think they just want to make articles for now and later polish them. The thing is that I’m pretty sure this is how Wikipedia developed, with just making articles and later on polishing. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:56, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | abt that superuser role? has it been rolled out yet? got hit in the face w a stub notice bug again lol [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 14:08, 26 March 2026 (UTC) |
| :There will absolutely be a tightening of standards later down the line, but ultimately the reason it looks unfinished is because, at present, it *is* unfinished. There'll be a lot of work needed to get it to the point where the articles have the kind of average quality we'd want them to. At the moment we really can't afford to be picky with contributions, and have to embrace the 'something is better than nothing' mentality. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:45, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Can a mod please remove this?== | | :another thing. Phreeli has a valid entry in [[List of products and services with forced arbitration]]. still @[[User:Louis]] supported them w a dedicated [https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=e8SnNNq6MaI video], in which he states "so this is a company we started" and claims to be an unpaid board member. so I ask, what the fuck? Louis said to give a fuck abt consumer rights but he is not your savior. the video was released on 2025.12.19 and the citation on the list was archived on 2026.01.13, so it can be argued that it could be a development after the video was published. I have not seen him mention Phreeli since then. so I cannot say if they're still affiliated but the video is still up w no follow up (afaik). as y'all are in contact w the man, can we get a comment or perhaps an apology video w a ukulele cameo? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 15:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::I discussed that here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_twkLJbc1c |
| | ::if there's an MVNO that's open to allowing people to pay with crypto without providing a name and address, I am happy to push them in that direction & help move it along. forced arbitration sucks balls, but every carrier has forced arbitration..... so this becomes a question of, should i not help push along a carrier that allows people to sign up in a more anonymous way, because 1 thing isn't to my liking... ??? the answer to that is no. |
| | ::framework doesn't release schematics... but after a long talk with the CEO, they'll allow you to get one if you contact them & sign an NDA. that's not what I want. but it is better than if I had not engaged at all. |
| | ::if i started a phone company/MVNO, it'd have no forced arbitration '''''AND''''' allow people to sign up with anonymous crypto without providing their name.... but i'm not starting a phone company... i am too busy as it is. |
| | ::phreeli belongs in that list of products & services with forced arbitration because they have forced arbitration. [[User:Louis|Louis]] ([[User talk:Louis|talk]]) 19:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::as mentioned in my previous comment I didn't know of that video. thank you. even tho its been a week, I still haven't found the time to watch it. perhaps many of the points I've highlighted have already been discussed in said video. |
| | :::regardless, I agree that the existence of a more private MVNO's a blessing to see in a sea full of scammers. but I still would've liked to see them not go the same route as traditional operators regarding forced arbitration. everybody's "threat" model is diff so I can understand your stance. I'm a fairly regular watcher of the channel but somehow I missed the video. and based on the view discrepancy (378k vs 41k), many others have too. the follow up video includes the announcement in its description but the title and thumbnail do not reflect it being a follow up. I would like to see this rectified. |
| | :::now on Framework, I did not know an NDA had to be signed in order to get the schematics. I checked the article and it does not mention that. based on my 5 min search I found [https://knowledgebase.frame.work/availability-of-schematics-and-boardviews-BJMZ6EAu this] but it does not mention an NDA, just to reach out to support. could you please provide sources? I'd like to append this to the article. I don't consider it egregious but for a person looking for them, they should know. |
| | :::I'd like to highlight a conflict here. in the video you state "so this company we started" and in [https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/2009536/000200953624000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml this] SEC filing you're cited as a Director. I'd like to mention that I'm not American nor have any idea wtf this shit is, but I have a borderline idea on what SEC filings are. could you please explain to me what this means? ofc you yourself did not start the company but you are still listed as a director of the company. |
| | :::an article on Phreeli does not exist and the arbitration list can be hard to find. so I will be creating one. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:52, 3 April 2026 (UTC) |
| | :Superconfirmed has been rolled out, see [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator applications]], BUT you need your email. I think this stuff should be done onwiki but whatever, I got mod without using email lol. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:26, 26 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::I went on a hiatus again lol so apologies for the slow response. |
| | ::I did email Keith on the matter b4 the rollout and recently did I get knighted. thank you mods [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| Can a mod remove the sloppyai tags [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|on my userpage]] and [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson/Sandbox|my sandbox page]]? The abuse filter is making impossible to remove. Just delete the part that says SloppyAI which is in the first paragraph on both. Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:01, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | ==I think Internet Archive has excluded anything from Bambu Lab== |
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| :I don't see a SloppyAI notice [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 12:25, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | I was on the Bambu Lab Authorization Control System page and I noticed that a lot of the archive links didn't work so I think Internet Archive has excluded anything from Bambu Lab. |
| ::You will see SloppyAI with two curly brackets around it, not the full notice. I forgot to clarify. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:44, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::Do you mean where it says: "Apparently, adding template {{sloppyai}} is a crime." [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 12:53, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::Yes, that. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:58, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::::Done <nowiki>{{Smiley}}</nowiki> [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 13:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::::Well that didn't work [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 13:04, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::::::To do it, click the source button and then try. What happened was it put <nowiki> tags around it (which basically make it ignore wikitext) because it detected wiki markup in visualeditor, which it doesn’t allow. Putting this in source: {{Smiley}}. I can’t believe I had to do that just to remove it though! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 13:06, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| | Do I need to move all the archive links to Ghost Archive? [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| i wish the page Category:Trading_card_companies to be deleted.
| | :It's the other way around; Bambu Lab has specifically decided to block the IA. And yeah, you can certainly use Ghost Archive. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::So should I switch all the archive links from IA to Ghost Archive [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:24, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::Yes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::Okay, I'll get started [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::Can confirm. I made a list of companies covered on this wiki that excluded themselves from the IA [[Internet Archive/Blocked companies|here]]. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 19:13, 2 April 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::Thanks for making that article [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 01:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::Of course! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 19:10, 9 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| Both have 1 element : Nintendo, though the latter is embedded within Category:Game_manufacturers and the former not, thus it can be deleted [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:39, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | is there a way the checking process for refs be automated? it is user maintained and isn't always accurate. perhaps all refs could be checked if they have the <code>archive-url=</code> filled? [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:26, 5 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| ==deletion request== | | ==Featured articles on main page have light grey title on White background .. even on dark mode== |
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| i wish the page [[:Category:Information_technology_companies]] to be deleted
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| argument : it serves no purpose. all items should be moved to [[:Category:Technology_companies]]
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| please it will help tidy things up : an impossible task. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 20:57, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | dark mode on CRW, Firefox. Linux Mint XFCE. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 04:46, 6 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| :{{Done}} (about to do when first typing this) but it might take a little bit to move everything over. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:50, 21 October 2025 (UTC) | | :wait i just went back and now they are black titles... i dont know what happened. mightve been a one time bug on my part ??? [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 04:49, 6 April 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::OK i figured it out... this is weird : |
| | ::it only happnes when i am LOGGED OUT of my account. |
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| | ::when a user is logged out. the featured articles on the main page appear with light grey titles on white background ; which isnt great for readability ... especially for new users' first impression of the website. |
| | ::Once i am logged into my account, the titles now appear black with good contrast. |
| | ::I dont know why this is the case but it is consistent across my testing [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 04:51, 6 April 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::@[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] this was an issue that I had before that I asked om your talkpage to fix, now it's happening again? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:26, 6 April 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::I'm going to throw in a curveball. logged in and I still got the issue. [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 08:52, 10 April 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::@[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] pinging again [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 11:04, 10 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| argument : It is a byproduct of an old spelling mistake. I've cleaned up the mess a bit. this page now needs to be deleted [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 21:10, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | Additionally, I also think the product section ''(referring to the This is a list of the company's product lines '''with articles on this wiki'''. [[Example product line one]] (release date): Short summary of the product's incidents.)'' could also be more specified and informative on what users are supposed to fill out, along with specifying what to do when there's no incidents relating to any of their product, as right now it's kinda up to the users to determine what it means. |
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| :actually all pages in [[Special:UnusedCategories]] [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 21:16, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
| | I also want to ask if you can add more sections to the parent company on the CompanyCargo template(being adding one company that's own by several other companies instead of one <s>as of current</s>) as I'm currently working on '''[[Denny's]]''' article and <sub><s>as far as I know</s></sub> there are 3 private companies that own Denny's as of the moment. |
| ::{{Done}} partially (only removed the specific category you mentioned) but a [[Special:UnusedCategories]] cleanup will be done by me in the near future. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:47, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::Also, you can also use the [[Template:DeletionRequest|Deletionrequest template]] for this as although it might not be done very quickly, it is generally cleaner and easier for admins. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:52, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::will do. I didnt know i was allowed to use it. [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 18:59, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::::Yes, anyone can use that to mark an article. It won't delete it, it just adds a notice for a mod to delete it (although it can be a bit slow at times!) [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:22, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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| | I don't mean to come off in a bad way where it's disrespectful, I meant to only state my opinion on the matter. [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 03:06, 11 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| Hi i'd like some clarification regarding categories.
| | :Agree, we don't really have a specific date standard here [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:38, 11 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| from what i've noticed, each page has a category with the page name as a name. ex: Apple has a Category:Apple.
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| Now, does that mean all other "tags" go in Category:Apple or should they go in Apple ? Or both ? (by "tags" i mean "Category:Technology_company" or "Category:Video_game")
| | :I have been using the DMY format since the majority of the world generally uses that. The hope for the wiki is to be an international source for consumers around the world (not just Americans), and I believe DMY to be in line with that goal. I further believe it would be better to have a consistent experience, which is why I have used the DMY format even for American companies and incidents. (Though clearly Rossmann disagreed with that, as he recently "corrected" the dates on an Amazon article from an older edit of mine.) |
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| | :As for the citations, I abbreviate the months because early on using more than three characters for the month resulted in the citation template being unhappy. It appears to have since been fixed, but old habits die hard. Not sure why the wiki template data outputs strictly numbers and that's a topic that will eventually have to be decided on in conjunction with this. |
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| | :Apologies for not speaking up sooner; I wanted mull over the matter first. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| Thank you for your time and hard work. I want to help out more but this question needs a definitive answer before [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 21:31, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Hello, I’m pretty sure all tags are meant to go in the category:Apple, although some pages may have lots of categories when there’s only a few in the actual category for it (or none if there’s no category). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:21, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
| | ([[JavaScript|this article]]) With the most recent edits (from other people, and myself) I think that notice can be finally removed. <code>Cleanup</code> should stay, as it's not done. |
| ::I’m also going to link to [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Categorization]] because of how good it is as a resource for learning about categories. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:27, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::thanks. i hadnt found that page. i will give it a good read [[User:Plankton|Plankton]] ([[User talk:Plankton|talk]]) 21:31, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ==I've added the 'nocat' parameter to Citation needed==
| | I could remove the notice myself, but I'm asking here, just-in-case [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:21, 13 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| Just letting mods know because if you see ANY issues with the citation needed template, then please immediately rollback the edits I have made. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 18:15, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
| | :{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 13 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| ==My submission is fine and the notice is not accurate nor able to discern context of the submission== | | ==Appeal request for YNAB article== |
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| The sources are actually threaded conversations. I'm not sure how the bot thinks a link to a threaded forum is a news article.
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| I worked hard making sure my first submission was encompassing. | | Today, after learning that YouNeedABudget had added forced arbitration to their ToS, I contributed [[You Need A Budget (YNAB)|my first original wiki article]]. I'd not completed each section, so it was naturally marked as a stub, but '''I believe I've satisfied the requirements for each required section, now, and that it is outside stub territory.''' |
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| Yes the "titles" of the forum posts sourced may not be the same as my wiki title here as those are not my posts and would you rather not put the titles of the forum posts?, i made sure to include a "why it matters" section to clarify certain aspects stated in those threads that pertain to the issue at hand. The topic INSIDE OF THE THREADS on the forum posts were exactly pertinent.
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| If my submission is eligible for deletion then i'm unsure how anything gets published here. I seriously think the bot that looks over submissions needs refinement if it flags my submission like that. Also, realistically a submission page with form fields is the way to go for this. Normal people are not wiki site gurus and template perfect people. They will never use the site. I understand this is outside the scope of this particular message, but I think there are some people that have a very good grasp on wiki sites, template adherence, shortcuts, that completely confusing to a normal person cite page that gets linked and overall these people are flagging posts that normal people are trying to make. The average person that comes into contact with company issues that this site proclaims to want to address will not be able to abide by the standards of a wiki style submission process if this is the outcome of when they sincerely try to contribute. (Again, it should just be form fields and a submit button.)
| | The one thing I think could be better is providing the actual email sent by YNAB as its own file as a better reference, but because I am no longer personally a user of YNAB, I don't have a copy to provide, myself. I reached out to some users from the subreddit threads linked within the article to ask for some anonymized copy if at all possible, and if I get something back, I can provide that then (or, if someone else has their own copy, all the power to them to contribute it). Failing this, though, I hope that the links to the related discussion about the email's existence meets the standard of verifiability. [[User:Jamesonismad|Jameson Ismad]] ([[User talk:Jamesonismad|talk]]) 05:16, 16 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| Nevertheless, I am posting here as directed by the robot. [[Special:Contributions/66.191.58.153|66.191.58.153]] 09:01, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
| | :{{Done}} — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 22:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| :On the off-topic remark (I do not know what your original submission was), I agree that the Visual editor UI could be a bit easier to use.
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| :Some important "Insert" items like Citations should not be under a "More" menu (Windows 11 right click vibes); it took me about 15 minutes to find a source and add my first proper citation despite being a somewhat tech-savvy person. (Although, I started here making '''edits''' and thus did not see the Citation "tutorial" within the Create an article page, only the
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| :There could also be a quick link(s) within the editor (like the ? button) to CRW's Wiki policy with helpful description like "Contains rules, writing guidelines and the mission statement to ensure the Wiki remains credible."
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| :In my opinion, starting to edit wikis really feels like booting up CS 1.6 as a first timer, going on multiplayer servers and getting 20 deaths in a row for not already knowing how to wallbang. This is okay for late night LAN parties, not so motivating when people make their first contribution and get edit summaries that aren't directly constructive in their email.
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| :Nevertheless I could be wrong on these points. I appreciate discussion and feedback. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 13:05, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::There are a lot of quirks with MediaWiki in general (the software is 20 years old at this point), and especially for this new wiki that has a lot of bugs and UI stuff to work out. There's supposed to be a major UI haul within the next few months or so, so hopefully that will address some of these issues you mentioned.
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| ::Ctrl+Shift+K is a keyboard shortcut for adding citations. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 16:56, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Hi. Which article specifically are you referring to? [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 16:53, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
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| I've checked [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=13 Filter 13's log] and there seems to be a consistent stream of spam articles shown there. Should we block the users doing this? I assume so, but I want to be sure. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:34, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Normally, we would consider this, but the types of users that end up filling up this log tend to make several accounts at a time, making blocking effectively useless. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 03:45, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| I'd like to write up my ideas for things that could be considered for future legislation (as a matter of fact, I started: [[User:CorpoBlight/Product quality - and manufacturer incentives]]). But after I started, I began to wonder if it was in-scope for this wiki or not. If too far away from the preferred direction of this wiki, any suggestions for a different wiki where it would fit better? To be clear, I am ''not'' a lawyer. [[User:CorpoBlight|CorpoBlight]] ([[User talk:CorpoBlight|talk]]) 20:11, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :This would be outside of scope for the wiki as personal opinion write ups or personal interpritations of law aren't really within scope. Please let us know if you have any other questions about this. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 07:52, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Appeal deletion of xbox==
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| [[Xbox]] was proposed for deletion based on its not having been edited in a long time. I think it should be kept. The Microsoft article has several items that would be appropriate for xbox. I have seen enough commentary on xbox and the direction it is going, etc. that I am sure there are sources out there to make a good article. There are a lot of pages that link to the page, so it is probably important.
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| Having stubs helps the wiki grow. Gives a place for people to expand. Gives reminders of, oh yeah, that thing. Creating a stub article is a pain, why should somebody have to do it again?
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| If people propose deletion just because something hasn't been worked on in a while, what do they want? Editors to periodically go around and touch every article they think is worthwhile? [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:37, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Hi, @[[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]], The Wiki tends to remove articles that have not been worked on in order to improve the perceived quality of the place. If you wish to fill in the article accordingly, I can gladly remove the deletion notice from the article for you. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 01:17, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::Where is this policy documented/explained? There are several problems with the policy which I would like to be sure have been discussed, and I am interested in participating in the discussion.
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| ::In this case the article has sat unmodified for at most 2 months. That seems absurdly short for a timeout.
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| ::The policy feels very manipulative, "work on this or the article gets it." Xbox is not my priority, but it will probably be someones. It is a shame to lose what progress is made every time somebody has other things in their life.
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| ::I have a few main interests (AI at the moment), but dabble in lots of other things. I would rather be free to improve things here and there as I feel. The policy plainly penalizes that work style.
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| ::(The Mary Condo follower uses a hammer to put in a screw because the screwdriver did not bring them joy. The eclectic person uses a hammer to put in a screw because they can't find one of their dozens of screwdrivers among all their other tools.)
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| ::In general this policy seems extremely short-sighted for the wiki. Why should I work on this wiki if anything I am working on will be deleted if I get busy for a couple of months, or after I move on to other things? So I will not adopt the xbox article, but I will try to advocate to extend protection for it and all the orphans, and thereby help grow the wiki.
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| ::I have more to say, but will save it until I find what has been said and the right place to say it. Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 02:12, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::Hi, @[[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]], the Xbox article has been in an excessively unfinished state for more than a month. Policy generally states that we need to remove barely-developed articles after 1 month. Our general expectation is that if a user is going to create an article, that they at least fill in the framework within 1 week of creation, but we give extra leeway.
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| :::Of course, please remember that just because a page is deleted, it does not mean that it cannot be made again! [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 03:39, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::@[[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] Where are these policies stated on the wiki?
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| ::::I just looked through [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Wiki policy index]] and couldn't find anything there about the 1 month rule, nor the 1 week expectation. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 06:25, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :::I'd say there is a difference between starting an article, and literally just filling in the page creation form and nothing else. On the Xbox article, even just the amount of text you've added is enough for me to be happy leaving it as a stub instead of deleting it (and as such I have removed the deletion notice). [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:53, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::I agree with both points. While the Create a Page flow suggest a standard for an acceptable article: "if you're not going to be able to get the very basics of a page created today (a basic statement of wht <nowiki>{{sic}}</nowiki> the article's about with a couple of references), it might be better to make a draft in your [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:How_to_use_your_user_space|user space]]." which suggest people disobeying the notice not reading due to the attention spans of today; I have to ask if there are measures that prevent or atleast warn articles being published with (1) no citations or (2) sections with template infoboxes. (I would verify this, but don't want to accidentally create a page as a result. If such a system isn't present yet it's understandable, probably harder than I imagine to implement it.) [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 03:19, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::Hi, @[[User:Raster|Raster]], because the wiki is intended to allow users without accounts to create pages, we cannot design a system to remind them to work on their unfinished articles. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 03:43, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::Hi @[[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]], I don't mean "remind", I mean "prevent" like how one would disable a submit button in a webpage if some requirements are not met. Apologies for any unclear wording on my side [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 03:51, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::::Hi, @[[User:Raster|Raster]], unfortunately this is not a system we can enforce without excessively modifying the codebase of MediaWiki. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 03:54, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::::@[[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]], that's understandable. Thank you for the reply. I was going to suggest putting such a warning in the new page info boxes, but not sure where to put in a way people will actually read it. [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 03:57, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::::::Yeah, to be a bit more specific, because pages are created through the form, a page will always be first created as an unfinished template. that's why we generally leave a day to allow newly submitted articles to be edited into their 'starting state' before worrying about article notices and so on. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:51, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| I tried to use the [[Template:Userspace draft|Userspace_draft]] template, only to find that it didn't exist. I started with the source of that template from wikipedia, updating the wording a bit and deleting quite a bit.
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| I commented out a chunk that caused an error "'''Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character "[".'''" I couldn't see how the chunk in question could cause that error, so someone with more mediawiki template experience may wish to take a look. [[User:CorpoBlight|CorpoBlight]] ([[User talk:CorpoBlight|talk]]) 05:59, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Warning: Prohibited words detected?==
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| It's telling me this, but it won't tell me what I've said wrong.
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| Can't save the page as a result. How can I find out what words are wrong so I can remove them. I can't find a list anywhere on the site + the error doesn't really tell me much. Also, the page I'm editing has a deletion request...but it will be fully populated with reference once I can edit and save my copy. Thanks in advance for your help. [[Special:Contributions/84.239.50.131|84.239.50.131]] 07:18, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Hello, this is because of the abuse filter, which blocks edits it thinks are harmful. The edit it blocked you from sending seems completely fine and was a false positive, so I'll make the change on your behalf. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:21, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::Hi, I'm also here because I ran afoul of this filter. My edit does affect about every line of the Article Suggestions table (it's an attempt at alphabetisation) so I can see it looking Big and Awful to an automatic filter! [[User:Neuropirate|Neuropirate]] ([[User talk:Neuropirate|talk]]) 23:10, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :::{{Done}} the edit and also confirmed you so you won’t have to deal with the filter that stopped you again. Also nice work putting it in alphabetical order! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:18, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Thank you to @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] for getting the edit, but I just wanted to add that if you create an account, then after a few edits you won't need to worry about the filters or similar. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:48, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ::Thank you to @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] as well.
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| ::And you know @[[User:Keith|Keith]], you make a good point. This was kind of supposed to be a one time thing...but maybe it shouldn't be. I'll go ahead and register. [[Special:Contributions/84.239.50.131|84.239.50.131]] 16:43, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
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| ==How does thanking edits work? Some questions;==
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| This is the first Wiki I've seen with such a cool and human feature, but I need to know if I'm using it correctly instead of just baffling everyone with how much I click them buttons in the Recent Changes page. So some questions:
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| :2. I think you can spam notifications by thanking different edits, but I don’t think you can thank twice.
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| ==Appeal tone notice - Tesla Cybertruck voids warranty if Powershare feature is used==
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| I believe [[Tesla Cybertruck voids warranty if Powershare feature is used|the article's]] wording now fits within [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Editorial guidelines#Use of tone|the guidelines]]. If there are still areas that need improvement tone-wise, do mention what they are. Thank you for your time [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 08:51, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :Done! Thanks for improving the article! [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 13:57, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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| I believe that the [[Electronic arts|article]] fits under the [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Editorial guidelines#Use of tone|guidelines]]. If it does, please mention what they are. [[User:Beef|Beef]] ([[User talk:Beef|talk]]) 13:44, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
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| :{{Done}} sorry for delay! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:22, 5 November 2025 (UTC) | |
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| ==note for someone who can modify the localsettings.php file to jump at==
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| Although it has 'bot' flag, NewUserMessage still shows up in recent changes. I did a bit of digging and found out that all you need to fix it is a line in the localsettings.php file. Setting <code>$wgNewUserSuppressRC</code> to <code>true</code> should do the trick.
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| :This would be something that needs to be passed on to our tech folks. I'll let them know this exists - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 07:55, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Possible solution for hiding IPs?==
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| IPs have been shown for editing since the start of wikis, but it isn’t private for the IP users, and also Wikipedia is changing that now with temporary accounts. They will instead put it behind a random username, of sorts, that looks kinda like this: ~2025-8371-275. This is also viewable by the ‘temporary account IP viewer’ right or if users are CheckUsers (which I’m pretty sure isn't on the Wiki right now). This is also coming VERY soon, in 4 or so days on the English Wikipedia I think, so it can be implemented quickly. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :Ok nice, if this comes out via mediawiki, hopefully we can just get it patched into the wiki [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:04, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Strangeness - Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Rules==
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| @[[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] @[[User:Keith|Keith]]On the [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Rules]] if I click on the discussion tab it takes me to [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Code of conduct]]. The content looks similar to the rules, but it is a talk page for a non-existent article.
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| Looking at the history, it looks like something that needs to be fixed by an admin who knows what was going on and which one is the real rules.
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| Since neither one looks like a talk page, thought better to mention it here. Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 05:20, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :{{Done}} Hey I can delete articles too! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:54, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ::Wait nevermind, I only deleted the redirect. I’m not sure what the code of conduct is about? I’ll move it out of talk namespace anyway. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :::Note for mods: Page now located at [[Project:Code of conduct]] [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:57, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::Thanks! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:03, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ::::Thank you, but this still leaves a confusing situation, where the (now orphaned) [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Code of conduct]] looks like an official policy, but it says different things than [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Rules]].
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| ::::Please either:
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| ::::#put a disclaimer box on it saying readers should ignore it (it is a draft).
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| ::::#Move it to a namespace that makes it obvious that it isn't official (e.g. part of somebodies user page).
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| ::::#If it isn't needed anymore, delete it (or blank the contents if want to keep the history).
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| ::::#Protect it so only moderators can see it.
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| ::::#Do something else to make it clear to the casual reader what its status is, and where to find the official version.
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| ::::Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 08:00, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Who made the CRW logo?==
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| just curious lol [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:20, 4 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Appeal deletion - Amazon fraudulent product page==
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| The article [[Amazon allows fraudulent product page after manual review]] has a deletion request that says "old aigen article that has not seen any use."
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| The article
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| #Has several paragraphs of meaningful content (not a stub).
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| #Has several references
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| #Is about an issue that I have heard of and seems noteworthy (Fraud against consumers by one of the largest retailers in the US).
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| What exactly are the criteria that this article violates that it should be deleted?
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| *The "seen any use" seems to indicate that there is some criterion on how much people read an article, which this one hasn't met. What is the use benchmark articles have to pass? How can we see how much use an article gets?
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| *AI generated - how is this determined? I have skimmed the article, it doesn't seem overly painful to read. (It isn't Kippling or Hemmingway, but it isn't bureaucrateese either.)
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| I am appealing the deletion of this article, since it meets all the inclusion criteria of which I am aware.
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| If there are policies that it violates, which are not spelled out in the rules, please spell them out.
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| Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 08:40, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :The "has not seen any use" bit is something I usually add to articles if it hasn't been edited, but there is no guideline on it. AIgen is shown to me partly because loads of info was suddenly added. I do have to admit though that it doesn't make much sense and if nothing happens to it in a year or 2 maybe it'll get deleted then? I'll remove the deletionreq. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:39, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ::Thank you.
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| ::Not quite sure I understand what you are saying. I thought the goal of the wiki was to have a reference. Unfortunately, that entails a necessary evil of having to write/edit articles. If an article is good enough that it hasn't required editing in months or years, isn't that a good thing? (Not saying the article is great, but once something is sort of okay, editors might focus on more skeletal articles vs. polishing something that has the basics.)
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| ::Is there something undesirable about writing something offline, and then adding it? I have been drafting a few things locally, it didn't occur to me that there would be anything suspicious or bad about crafting in private and then releasing what would look sudden to others. Please help me understand. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 18:54, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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| ==What does the AI/LLM template mean?==
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| (Note, this question was prompted by [[ Amazon allows fraudulent product page after manual review]] and other articles.)
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| I feel generally uncomfortable with the LLM tag, because I can't figure out what it means. (I have seen it added to various articles, for no readily apparent reason.) All I can figure so far is that it seems like a particularly insulting way of saying that the tagger doesn't like somebodies writing style. (I strongly object to the overuse of LLMs, saying one writes like one is dehumanizing in the extreme.)
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| If adding that tag is based on a particular tool, then it would help to have the tool called out so one could experiment and learn how to appease the tool.
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| There are readability and grammar assistance tools (not recent AI garbage, but reliable old-style programs, like Grammatic), perhaps a link to such tools might be useful to add to the template?
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| It might help if the adder of the AI/LLM template were required to add specifics about what they find problematic. (Are there inaccuracies, is it use of particular words, is it cliched or verbose, ...) Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 08:48, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :the SloppyAI tag is basically just if its fully/mostly AI generated, not based on tools and just at the adder's discretion. It's my least favorite template though, and I should probably rework the wording and add an issue part like the one in the Incomplete notice. I'll keep your ideas in mind if/when I do it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:29, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :The AI notice is primarily for quality control - whether it means the references haven't been vetted, or the content hasn't been vetted, or even if the content itself is too "AI-sounding" that it can deter readers. It's a great notice to have because it means the content is still relevant but may require editing to be up to quality standards. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 16:28, 6 November 2025 (UTC) | |
| ::I'll work on the template in my sandbox now. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:28, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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| :::Thank you @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]]. If the visual editor could present a short list of a few typical reasons why the tag might be added, with a checkbox for each. That might give an easy way for the tagger to provide more helpful information to other editors. (I am thinking things like "wordy" (or "omit needless words"), "repetitive" (for says same thing over and over), "jargon" (or "overly technical"), "fact check". Those are just what comes to my mind, pick whatever sins of AI/poor writing you see commonly.)
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| :::If the visual editor can't do that (and for those who don't use the editor), the documentation could provide a list of cues for taggers to use.
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| :::Rather than saying AI, could it be more - help improve clarity/readability?
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| :::I just want the reader/writer to clearly communicate what they can do to improve the article. Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 18:26, 6 November 2025 (UTC)
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