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| ==How will the CRW approach April Fool's day?==
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| Hi, April Fool's day is next month and I don't want to initiate a discussion too late, so how would we approach it? My idea is 1) no jokes in articles, no exceptions and 2) clearly mark all jokes when they occur (I've made [[Template:April fools]] for this purpose). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:57, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :If my science textbook in school gave me a QR code that ends up rickrolling me I think I'll spend longer than 1 day being distracted about it... lol
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| :In my opinion they should be contained within user pages and other types of pages the common person never visits, like having it as an extra link under Wiki policy or something. It would be really bad if someone in power happens to see it the one day they get told to visit a page on the wiki. Just my two cents... but then again I'm pretty biased against the day anyway [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 06:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::I don't even think we should have it under a link on Wiki policy, just silently add it with thr correct template the correct people internally will see it via recent changes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :Honestly, I don't think we will be doing one this year. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 07:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::Was there one last year? I don't think there was. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :::There definitely wasn't. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::::I've deleted the template. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :::::Might be worth undeleting it... Louis came up with an idea for an April Fools, based on that Norwegian enshittification video from the other day. Basic concept is to enshittify the wiki (maybe just the main page, and with an off button, of course) for a day. I fully agree with no jokes in articles - that's just a pain to keep track of and undo, and could damage credibility if done without good taste. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:33, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::::::I have had my ideas, but I'll keep them secret for now. I'll undelete it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::::::we could prob use the trollface as the wiki logo at least [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 04:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ==Appeal Request==
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| Hello! The article [[Advertising overload]] is marked as incomplete and as relying on AI/LLMs. I believe I've addressed the original intent of both of these, though the bottom section ([[Advertising overload#Notable Examples]]) is still a stub. I think the AI status notice should be removed, and the Incomplete notice should be replaced with a Stub notice.
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| Cheers! [[User:Scholar Silas|Scholar Silas]] ([[User talk:Scholar Silas|talk]]) 05:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :{{Done}} including '''completely removing both notices''', not marking it as a stub. The article overall is very long, and if a section is all to complain about on a very long article, then it's definitely not a stub. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ==Who gets superconfirmed first?==
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| Hello, starting this discussion since the new superconfirmed usergroup has been added and we need to figure out who to give it to first. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :Just tested it on [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsAlt]]; why can't it undelete pages? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:14, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::I shall fix! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 00:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :::Also @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] is semiprotection mow allowing superconfirmed users only as well as admins and not just normal confirmed users? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::::Yes, autoconfirmed users no longer have the semiprotected permission. This was an intentional change requested by Keith [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 16:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
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| Apologies in advance if this is not a place for feature-requests [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC) | | Apologies in advance if this is not a place for feature-requests [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC) |
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| ==Appeal request for Wikipedia article==
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| I've been testing out the browser plugin for the last few days and noticed it popped up on Wikipedia. After reading [[Wikipedia#cite note-15]] I wanted to challenge whether this article belongs on Consumer Rights Wiki, as I don't think it fits with the [[Mission statement]] or [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Inclusion guidelines]] at time of writing.
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| Aside from mentioning that Wikipedia is big and influential (not necessarily a bad thing), there are two incidents listed. The first one relates to individual editors. The only citation for this mentions "Wikipedia has taken action against what it described as the “co-ordinated group” of fraudsters by blocking 381 accounts.".
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| The second one is similar, it refers to behaviour of editors - the first citation mentions "Wikipedias in all languages, including English, are open to edits by any volunteers", and also mentions that "one of the ... admins at Scots Wikipedia, has called for native speakers to contribute as the community seeks to save the project.".
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| In both cases I think this is a reasonable response from Wikipedia, they stepped in to address the issues by blocking abusive users, acknowledged the inaccuracies and called for people to help fix them. Wikipedia is free, it's hosted by a non-profit organisation and the editors are not working for Wikipedia, they are independent users of the platform. I don't think it's fair to blame them for user-generated content, and in my opinion it hurts the cause when we include articles like this alongside articles highlighting genuinely abusive business practices. [[User:DiffChar|DiffChar]] ([[User talk:DiffChar|talk]]) 23:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :When this came up, I was very concerned but decided to leave it alone. Considering someone else thinks the exact same way as me, i think it's honestly a good idea atp for me to add a deletion request template (which anyone can do, by the way!) and refer back here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :After looking it over myself, I agree - it's not relevant as it stands. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 19:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::I'd concur as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :::Deleted. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ==Can't Edit==
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| I'm trying to edit this [[Dairy Queen]] article, however after adding the stub notice it won't allow me to edit anymore. @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 19:33, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :{{Done}}. [[consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard/Archive_4#Can_a_mod_please_remove_this?|Easy mistake to make]]. Next time, put it at the start of the article '''and''' leave a space. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::I did email Keith on the matter b4 the rollout and recently did I get knighted. thank you mods [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) | | ::I did email Keith on the matter b4 the rollout and recently did I get knighted. thank you mods [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| ==I think Internet Archive has excluded anything from Bambu Lab==
| | I'm unable to move this discussion to the archive, due to word filter. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 13:47, 20 May 2026 (UTC) |
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| I was on the Bambu Lab Authorization Control System page and I noticed that a lot of the archive links didn't work so I think Internet Archive has excluded anything from Bambu Lab.
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| Do I need to move all the archive links to Ghost Archive? [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :It's the other way around; Bambu Lab has specifically decided to block the IA. And yeah, you can certainly use Ghost Archive. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::So should I switch all the archive links from IA to Ghost Archive [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:24, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| :::Yes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::::Okay, I'll get started [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
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| ::Can confirm. I made a list of companies covered on this wiki that excluded themselves from the IA [[Internet Archive/Blocked companies|here]]. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 19:13, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
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| :::Thanks for making that article [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 01:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
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| ::::Of course! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 19:10, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
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| :Apologies for not speaking up sooner; I wanted mull over the matter first. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) | | :Apologies for not speaking up sooner; I wanted mull over the matter first. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC) |
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| ==JS ToneWarning appeal==
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| ([[JavaScript|this article]]) With the most recent edits (from other people, and myself) I think that notice can be finally removed. <code>Cleanup</code> should stay, as it's not done.
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| I could remove the notice myself, but I'm asking here, just-in-case [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:21, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
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| :{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
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| ==Appeal request for YNAB article==
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| Hey CRW!
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| Today, after learning that YouNeedABudget had added forced arbitration to their ToS, I contributed [[You Need A Budget (YNAB)|my first original wiki article]]. I'd not completed each section, so it was naturally marked as a stub, but '''I believe I've satisfied the requirements for each required section, now, and that it is outside stub territory.'''
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| I tried to provide as many references as I could, while keeping things as relevant as I could, but as I said, this is my first article, so please let me know if there's anything else I can contribute to improve the article in any way.
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| The one thing I think could be better is providing the actual email sent by YNAB as its own file as a better reference, but because I am no longer personally a user of YNAB, I don't have a copy to provide, myself. I reached out to some users from the subreddit threads linked within the article to ask for some anonymized copy if at all possible, and if I get something back, I can provide that then (or, if someone else has their own copy, all the power to them to contribute it). Failing this, though, I hope that the links to the related discussion about the email's existence meets the standard of verifiability. [[User:Jamesonismad|Jameson Ismad]] ([[User talk:Jamesonismad|talk]]) 05:16, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
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| :{{Done}} — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 22:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
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| ==deletion request==
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| Seeing as how the terms are bog standard, I see no reason for this page to exist. You do not own any of the code on your machine, unless you wrote it yourself. Even open source licenses are the same.
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| I couldn't figure out to make a deletion request either. wouldn't let me save the template, but I could have been doing it wrong. Instructions aren't so clear...
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| [[Bandai Namco EULA]] [[User:Mandle Rex|Mandle Rex]] ([[User talk:Mandle Rex|talk]]) 09:27, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
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| :The problem with the deletion request was probably that you were trying to put it on the same line as the incomplete notice (which is protected)
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| :I'll add it on for you just now [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
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| ::Deleted! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:07, 4 May 2026 (UTC)
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| ::At the moment it's limited to Superconfirmed and above. Given the quality of @[[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]]'s contributions, I'd be happy to give them Superconfirmed. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:40, 17 May 2026 (UTC) | | ::At the moment it's limited to Superconfirmed and above. Given the quality of @[[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]]'s contributions, I'd be happy to give them Superconfirmed. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:40, 17 May 2026 (UTC) |
| :::Cargo templates are still fully protected, so I cannot edit them. Please see [[Special:ProtectedPages]], it may be reasonable to change most of these (especially templates) to semi-protected. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 15:34, 18 May 2026 (UTC) | | :::Cargo templates are still fully protected, so I cannot edit them. Please see [[Special:ProtectedPages]], it may be reasonable to change most of these (especially templates) to semi-protected. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 15:34, 18 May 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::Cargo tables are a bit more sensitive, as external tools which use the data will rely on a consistent schema. breakages here wouldn't just affect articles on the wiki, it could also break any external tooling that uses the cargo data. on that basis cargo tables are something I'd be fairly reluctant to un-protect [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::::I see. I got an idea, I may be able to wrap the cargo template in a different template. [[Template:IncidentCargo]] may be the easiest, as it doesn't render anything. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2026 (UTC) |
| :Regarding edit access to the consumer tools page or any template used on the front page, additional inclusions like consumer tools are generally confirmed by staff to prevent the potential for promoting a service or product that doesn’t align with our goals. | | :Regarding edit access to the consumer tools page or any template used on the front page, additional inclusions like consumer tools are generally confirmed by staff to prevent the potential for promoting a service or product that doesn’t align with our goals. |
| :Also while we have you here, creating country articles like [[Poland]] isn’t within our scope, as a country category can contain the necessary information such as their incidents and laws while linking back to the country's Wikipedia page. For that, having categories such as [[:Category:Canadian incidents]] and [[:Category:Canadian legislation]] in the Canada category would be best practice. Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 13:05, 17 May 2026 (UTC) | | :Also while we have you here, creating country articles like [[Poland]] isn’t within our scope, as a country category can contain the necessary information such as their incidents and laws while linking back to the country's Wikipedia page. For that, having categories such as [[:Category:Canadian incidents]] and [[:Category:Canadian legislation]] in the Canada category would be best practice. Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 13:05, 17 May 2026 (UTC) |
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| ::[[European Union#Stop Destroying Videogames (ECI)]] excerpts smaller parts of [[SKG]] (2nd argument (section), <code>paragraphs=</code> and <code>hat=no</code> in use). [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 11:41, 20 May 2026 (UTC) | | ::[[European Union#Stop Destroying Videogames (ECI)]] excerpts smaller parts of [[SKG]] (2nd argument (section), <code>paragraphs=</code> and <code>hat=no</code> in use). [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 11:41, 20 May 2026 (UTC) |
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| | This page was edited with "DMCA takedown" as reason by a user that was just created: https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Model_F_Labs&action=history If you see the nature of the edits, it seems rather likely this was done in an attempt to remove critique. [[User:NonPassivatedMOSFET|NonPassivatedMOSFET]] ([[User talk:NonPassivatedMOSFET|talk]]) 20:32, 1 June 2026 (UTC) |
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| | :It looks like this was reversed. If there still seems to be issues with it, I can have Keith look into this as DMCA related issues are legal matters, and outside of the scope of normal support from the mods and folks like me. So just let us know and if this reappears or if there’s anything that happens to the article, please update us here and I’ll get Keith to look at it.- [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 23:31, 6 June 2026 (UTC) |
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| | Last year there was an argument on whether some community toxicity cases and management issues at the Wikipedia platform fall within the scope of this wiki or not. |
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| | Recently there's some developments that can finally settle the case and which will fall within this wiki's scope this time around, as editors on Wikipedia are threatening a worker's strike after the WMF disbands the entire Community Tech team. Relevant links: |
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| | *https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:COMMTECHGATE |
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| | *https://medium.com/@jakeorlowitz/wikipedia-is-doing-the-capitalist-thing-56a393232943 |
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| | *https://medium.com/@jakeorlowitz/wikipedia-runs-on-people-it-shouldnt-run-over-people-48823f4238bb |
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| | *https://www.theverge.com/report/939442/wikipedia-editors-protest-wikimedia-layoffs-strike |
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| | *https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/hundreds-of-wikipedia-editors-are-threatening-to-go-on-strike-and-the-reason-is-these-engineers/articleshow/131394771.cms |
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| | *https://www.pcmag.com/news/wikipedia-editors-could-strike-following-layoffs |
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| | The page [[Wikipedia]] and/or [[Wikimedia Foundation]] are theredore requested to be resurrected. In hindsight I feel that the fussy attitude by Beanie Bo against the inclusion of Wikipedia issues into the wiki scope looks ridiculous in the first place. [[Special:Contributions/52.220.157.15|52.220.157.15]] 22:35, 1 June 2026 (UTC) |
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| | :After reading through the links you provided, I do not see how the labor issue, although concerning, is relevant from a consumer rights perspective. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 04:15, 2 June 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::The disbanding of Community Tech team at Wikipedia will make it easier for WMF and so on to initiate changes that are deemed "unpopular", which will harm the interests of consumers/readers in the long term. Not to mention many volunteer editors are at the same time, readers. As one had pointed out, you can and should look at this [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist/Updates the archives] of Community Wishlist to see how the team had contributed to the well-being of the encyclopedia over time. Dark mode is just one of the features that if I can remember, was requested that way.[[Special:Contributions/15.181.161.29|15.181.161.29]] 11:13, 2 June 2026 (UTC) |
| | :::I don't really think that the ongoing dispute falls into the Wiki's scope, and will outline my reasoning below: |
| | :::Changes to the internal governance of an organization, or labour disputes in general, are not relevant to the wiki - there needs to be some direct, specific, and notable impact on consumers. |
| | :::We also do not cover generic product quality issues, despite any impact they may have on consumers, unless there is some aggravating factor such as safety, an attempt to cover up the quality issue by the company, or it being a willful degradation in quality of a product that users had already paid for. If a company makes a bad product, that is a skill issue, rather than a consumer rights issue, unless consumers were promised and paid for a substantially different product to the one they received. |
| | :::Therefore, if a labour dispute or similar threatened to reduce the quality of a company's product, it would not be relevant to the wiki. E.g. if the company behind a game (that had not come out yet and which had not accepted pre-orders) decided to scrap their entire art team and replace it with AI slop, kicking off a labour dispute with product quality implications, then that would not be a consumer rights issue to be covered on the wiki. If, however, a company had sold pre-orders or a season pass for a DLC that was upcoming, then they sacked everyone who was meant to deliver that content, then that product quality issue would become a wiki-relevant issue once it becomes clear in reporting that the promised and paid-for content was not going to be delivered. |
| | :::The only Wikipedia-related controversy I'm aware of that I could imagine being actually relevant to the wiki would be the long-standing controversies around whether or not the various Wikipedia donation banners were misleading as to the effect donations would have on Wikipedia's maintenance. While it being donations to charity puts a bit of a spin on it, misleading advertising is 100% relevant to the wiki, and there's definitely been enough debate and discussion and coverage on that topic over the years to meet notability and sourcing criteria. Even then, it's probably open to some debate. Would a charity that accepts donations and then the person running the charity embezzles the money and runs off, be a consumer rights issue? idk. |
| | :::Ultimately, since the Wikipedia platform is delivered freely and is also not 'paid for' through user data, it makes a lot of arguments for consumer rights relevancy more difficult. If they decided to shut the whole thing down tomorrow, it would be a great loss for humanity, but I'm still not sure whether it would be wiki-relevant. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 01:44, 3 June 2026 (UTC) |
| | ::::Thanks. If that page were to be resurrected, it will be pretty much a single-topic page focusing on the Wikipedia misleading donation and financial cancer issues, right? Perhaps for clarification there should be an external link section to a page on SourceWatch or so on that documents Wikipedia-related issues, along with a small note clarifying that most of the information on there can't be included here due to guideline restrictions, but the external link to the page containing the info is included just as courtesy for readers.[[Special:Contributions/15.181.161.29|15.181.161.29]] 12:16, 3 June 2026 (UTC) |