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{{Incomplete| Issue 1= There are several comments pointing out spots that need some improvement.|Issue 2=Other than those this article may need some rework to fit the [[Project:Sample/Company|company page template]]}} | {{Incomplete| Issue 1= There are several comments pointing out spots that need some improvement.|Issue 2=Other than those this article may need some rework to fit the [[Project:Sample/Company|company page template]]}} | ||
{{Hatnote|This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].}}{{InfoboxCompany | |||
{{InfoboxCompany | |||
| Name = Deep Cycle Systems | | Name = Deep Cycle Systems | ||
| Type = Private | | Type = Private | ||
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| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/ | | Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au/ | ||
| Logo = DeepCycleSystems.png | | Logo = DeepCycleSystems.png | ||
}} | }}'''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.<!-- Do we have to cite sources for the Infobox? | ||
'''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.<!-- Do we have to cite sources for the Infobox? | |||
Reply: No, but if you can find a Wikipedia link for the company, do add it for the name (as seen on other pages). ~Shingo --> | Reply: No, but if you can find a Wikipedia link for the company, do add it for the name (as seen on other pages). ~Shingo --> | ||
==Consumer impact summary== | |||
{{Placeholder box|Overview of concerns that arise from the company's conduct regarding (if applicable): | |||
* User Freedom | |||
* User Privacy | |||
* Business Model | |||
* Market Control}} | |||
==Claims== | ==Claims== | ||
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{{Hatnote|Main article:[[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}} | {{Hatnote|Main article:[[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}} | ||
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a [https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I review] on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after | On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a [https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I review] on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also made a [https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I followup video regarding DCS' questionable history]. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS.{{Citation needed}}<!-- Information about there being 2 videos is from: https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk --> | ||
AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years.{{Citation needed}}They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy. <!-- 30-50% figure is from: https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 --> | AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years.{{Citation needed}}They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy. <!-- 30-50% figure is from: https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 --> | ||
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*DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023<ref name=":0" /> | *DCS Warranty Policy on November 7 2023<ref name=":0" /> | ||
*DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023<ref name=":1" /> | *DCS Warranty Policy on March 9 2023<ref name=":1" /><!-- Maybe replace this list with proper citations next to when the dates were first mentioned. --> | ||
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====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives==== | ====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives==== | ||
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<!-- Louis's claims of user reachouts: https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=601 --> | <!-- Louis's claims of user reachouts: https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=601 --> | ||
This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024. | This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024. | ||
===Cyberbullying accusations against Louis Rossmann=== | |||
On the 1st of August 2024, DCS filed a complaint to the Australian government against Louis Rossmann claiming that they are the target of an "orchestrated cyberbullying attack" by Rossmann and his follower base, with the goal being " to discredit the quality of our products," leading to "millions of dollars" of damage to the company, and demanded that Rossmann be "held accountable" for his actions. DCS claimed that Rossmann's accusations against them are "based on one person's opinion," and involved misinformation and disinformation, which is incorrect, because the accusations are backed up by evidence from various sources, for example, the claim about the quick deterioration of the battery capacity is based on a research of the battery by the ITP Renewables, the report of the research is available on Australian Renewable Energy Agency.<ref>{{Cite web |date=7 June 2022 |title=Public Report 12 (Final Report) Lithium-ion Battery Testing |url=https://arena.gov.au/assets/2018/05/lithium-ion-battery-testing-public-report-12.pdf |website=Australian Renewable Energy Agency}}</ref> Rossmann's claim about warranty fraud is backed up by an archived page from their own website, proving that they did falsify their warranty information.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /><ref>{{Cite web |last=Rossman |first=Louis |date=15 March 2025 |title=DCS reports me to Australian government for cyberbullying |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfNbxmT3B4 |website=YouTube}}</ref> | |||
===Suspected fake positive reviews=== | ===Suspected fake positive reviews=== | ||
DCS has been suspected of fabricating positive reviews.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/deep-cycle-systems-dcs</ref> | DCS has been suspected by productreview.com.au of fabricating positive reviews.<ref>https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/deep-cycle-systems-dcs</ref> | ||
==Safety issues== | ==Safety issues== | ||