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| Looks like we are doing alright so far with this page; lol... people go ahead of me - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 02:51, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
| | ==Please add cautions to discord link== |
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| ==Can we categorize this?==
| | Given the topic of this wiki, it surprises me that getting help seems to be gated behind [[discord]]. |
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| Just to clean up [[Special:UncategorizedPages]]. I suggest putting this page under [[:Category:CAT]]. [[User:Waldo|Waldo]] ([[User talk:Waldo|talk]]) 08:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
| | I think it would make sense to have the link on the home page (which currently goes to discord) go to a page that explains the discord situation, points out the downsides of discord (including a link to the wiki’s coverage of discord), and then lists the discord link, as well as a link to wherever on the wiki one can get help if decide not to discord. |
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| Moved this into the CAT category so it isn't eaten by special pages as requested; looks like it may have already been in the root namespace but just for clarity sake until we build a full on mainpage. Thanks for the catch <3 - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 11:36, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
| | For discord you have to read 29 pages of TOS, 19 pages of privacy policy; agree to their data harvesting, give up 7th amendment rights (forced arbitration), no class action, etc. Then create an account, including surrendering your birth date. Then figure out how to use yet another interface. Evidently in some places you also have to send them a picture of you with some id (yours if you trust them, fake if you don't). |
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| ==Anonymization of non-logged in user IPs==
| | Pretty ironic for this wiki advocating consumers rights to gate things behind some company with a less than stellar consumer rights stance. I figure that wondering about discord is a frequently asked question, and there is probably a standard response/explanation, but I can not find anything about this on the wiki. Where is the coverage of this? |
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| I would like to request that users who make edits without user accounts do not have their full IP published in the edit log. | | If such an explanation does not exist, please help create one. Some of the things I think it well to address: |
| | *Why discord? |
| | *Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform? (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected? What are desiderata? What is anticipated time frame?) |
| | *Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page? (I haven’t found a tool to do this. If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it]) A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better. (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.) |
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| :I made a suggestion on the Discord server on your behalf. [[User:Waldo|Waldo]] ([[User talk:Waldo|talk]]) 10:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
| | Any other questions such an explanation should answer? |
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| :For that there is an extension called AnonPrivacy https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AnonPrivacy [[User:Fen|Fen]] ([[User talk:Fen|talk]]) 22:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
| | I wrote this a few days ago, but hadn't posted it. Just saw Mr. Rossmann's video about discord's new terms of service. Seems to me even more urgent to modify how this wiki pushes people to discord. Thanks. |
| ::Greetings, I made the suggestion to the team on your behalf. At the momment, there is no plan or intention to anonymize IPs for non-logged in users. It helps with accountability as knowing the IP will be visible deterring bad behavior. It also makes moderation easier. Realistically the only alternative is hashing the ip which complex and destroys the core principles that the wiki is about. [[User:Fen|Fen]] ([[User talk:Fen|talk]]) 23:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
| | [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC) |
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| :Anyone who does not want their IP publicly logged should create an account. It is quick and easy. Besides, public IPs have in the past exposed edits from companies such as Daimler (Mercedes-Benz) ([https://www.thelocal.de/20120312/41281/ source]). [[User:Elominius|Elominius]] ([[User talk:Elominius|talk]]) 01:40, 17 August 2025 (UTC) | | :Current TOS score average reading level of 14th grade (Junior in college), estimated reading time 42 minutes just for the TOS. A 2021 version of Discord TOS featured in "EULAs of despair". Linked TOS 5.62 Tolstoys, over 275 hours.[[https://www.pilotlab.org/eulas-of-despair]] [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 16:43, 9 October 2025 (UTC) |
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| ==Add a patent as a source== | | ==Where to ask questions on the wiki?== |
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| My interest in this woke up when editing [[Figma threatens companies using "Dev Mode"|this article]], and following the [[wikipedia:Template:Cite_patent|Wikipedia page to cite from a patent]], when previewing the article the reference wasn't rendered properly. I don't know if I screwed up something or really the site doesn't support yet the use of this format. Hope someone could illustrate me on how to move on with this [[User:Fjordpining|Fjordpining]] ([[User talk:Fjordpining|talk]]) 06:33, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
| | Where should users ask questions if they don't do discord? e.g., Questions about how to use wiki? Questions about policy? And most important, questions they can't figure out where to ask? |
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| ==stating "Recently updated" not particularly helpful==
| | I have looked around, even read through the staff directory, but can't figure out who/where to ask. |
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| On [https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Special%3ARecentChanges| the "create account" page], near the bottom, it says, "We have recently updated our privacy policy." How recently? It doesn't say. The logical assumption which must be made is that it has changed seconds ago, and must be reread. How about instead displaying something along the lines of, "Our privacy policy was last updated on <date>", even if there does not exist a way to automate the display of the date, and the "create account" page (or the page of any other such notice) must be edited by hand?
| | A quick link/directory of where to ask would be really helpful on the homepage. Thank you. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC) |
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| :this is valid, and we'll try and get it fixed shortly [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:29, 15 August 2025 (UTC) | | :Not a mod (''you’ve probably seen me say that by now'') but I’d go to [[CRW Team]] which shows members, click on one of the blue wiki links and ask for advice on a mods talk page. They usually get back within a day or so. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC) |
| ==Dependence on phone app for basic functions, make an article?==
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| | | ::It might be best to ping specific moderators since not many of them are frequently on or are aware of all the Talk pages. And still, the noticeboard is the best bet for all questions, especially if you don't have one specific mod in mind. You can also ping someone there too. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:55, 10 October 2025 (UTC) |
| I'm on Frontier internet, only gig around and I think they know it. We got fiber a few years ago and if you want wi-fi you either go with the Amazon Eeros(?) or learn how to do your own router. The Eeros seems that you can only access settings with a phone app, no desktop. Would this qualify it for an article on here? I've also heard about sleezy back door things happening either from Amazon or the IP itself, that they can access settings the customer cannot. Anyhow I don't want to just go ahead and write some poorly put together article and it shouldn't even be on here. [[User:Sawbones|Sawbones]] ([[User talk:Sawbones|talk]]) 17:57, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :This probably depends on the level of coverage. have there been any news articles (local or otherwise) which are complaining about this? Forcing the customer to use unneccesarily invasive software to access a service is something which definitely fits within the wiki's scope, and anything which is happening across a whole ISP would be large-scale enough, but the final thing an article needs is good sources [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:27, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Cruzaders kings 2 incident.==
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| Hi everyone, as a fan of Paradox games and somebody that really wants to write in this wiki i wanted to ask something... what right exactly the paradox incident covers? i want to do it, but i dont understand quite exactly what i should do at writting it, why its an anti ownership or anti consumer practice, i need to understand that first to start it, because if i dont recognize well the systematic issue i think that i cannot treat it. [[User:Predatitor41|Predatitor41]] ([[User talk:Predatitor41|talk]]) 01:26, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :I think I see the one you mean on the article suggestions. I'm honeslt not sure why it should be there either, it doesn't seem to fit. They sell a lot of DLC and it's quite expensive, but there's nothing particularly deceptive going on there from what I can tell. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:29, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ::It looks like it was eliminated of suggestion articles, i dont know why but it looks like it was discarded. [[User:Predatitor41|Predatitor41]] ([[User talk:Predatitor41|talk]]) 14:44, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :::I removed it for reasons stated previously - it (at least the way it was phrased in the entry) did not seem like something which would fit on the wiki [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:48, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Replace PrivacyTools.io with PrivacyGuides==
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| As per PrivacyGuides FAQ page https://www.privacyguides.org/en/about/privacytools/
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| "In September 2021, every active contributor unanimously agreed to move from PrivacyTools to work on this site: Privacy Guides. This decision was made because PrivacyTools’ founder and controller of the domain name had disappeared for an extended period of time and could not be contacted.
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| Having built a reputable site and set of services on PrivacyTools.io, this caused grave concerns for the future of PrivacyTools, as any future disruption could wipe out the entire organization with no recovery method. This transition was communicated to the PrivacyTools community many months in advance via a variety of channels including its blog, Twitter, Reddit, and Mastodon to ensure the entire process went as smoothly as possible. We did this to ensure nobody was kept in the dark, which has been our modus operandi since our team was created, and to make sure Privacy Guides was recognized as the same reliable organization that PrivacyTools was before the transition.
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| After the organizational move was completed, the founder of PrivacyTools returned and began to spread misinformation about the Privacy Guides project. They continue to spread misinformation in addition to operating a paid link farm on the PrivacyTools domain. We are creating this page to clear up any misconceptions."
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| The current PrivacyTools.io site has obvious but undisclosed sponsored promotions of Nord Security products (NordVPN, Surfshark, Incogni) and maybe others as well. The events that transpired that led to the forming of PrivacyGuides are verifiable through searching community posts at the time and other sources. For those that remember the "leading" members of PrivacyTools at the time (Jonah Aragon, Daniel Gray, Niek-de-Wilde, freddy...), all of them were the ones who made PrivacyGuides and moved along with the whole community. Their forum and other channels are filled with community discussion and all recommendation additions and removals are debated in public as was the case with PrivacyTools in the past. Meanwhile today PrivacyTools.io doesn't even have an "About" page or anything,and while there is a Github page linked on the site, there doesn't seem to be a way to actually contribute (https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacy-tools/discussions/18).
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| ==Addition of NOYB.eu to the Consumer Tools section==
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| Suggestion to add https://noyb.eu/en to one of the subsections of the Consumer Tools sections. Possibly in the "Legal & complaint filing" subsection. It's a non-profit, specifically about data privacy and protection within the EU. [[User:Socks|Socks]] ([[User talk:Socks|talk]]) 17:05, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Need to confer with Champion Power Equipment employees==
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| I'm a small engine mechanic and I'm going to start a post about the dual fuel generators they produce. They are flawed regardless of intentions, and would like exact specs if anyone has that information, Mainly need the cylinder, and piston specs as well as the dry fuel ratio.
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| The case is a denied warranty for one of our customers that I'm sure has to be a common issue with this design.
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| I plan to research online but It would be faster to have people who have direct access to the information, We were and still are a warranty center for them but one of champion's employees insulted us and our competence on the case I'm referring to, and we haven't gotten any contact from champion since so not really in the situation to reach out for information that they'd most likely deny or ignore us on.
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| If anyone on here is an employee in their parts department, or a similar department with access to publicly known part numbers and specs please reach out, the small engine industry is a problem lately that's only getting worse. It would be nice to document issues that arise It would also be nice to have someone with engineering experience and credentials to verify data and calculate it themselves, especially in the gas powered equipment sector/industry [[User:The Wang|The Wang]] ([[User talk:The Wang|talk]]) 20:20, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
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| ==Will this wiki publish regular backups?==
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| The Wikimedia Foundation regularly publishes [https://dumps.wikimedia.org/ compressed archives] of its wikis. This sets an example I wish every website with text-based user-generated contributions would follow. It is important to preserve the contribution history should this site go offline. Besides, text is well compressable.
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| Many websites in the past have shut down with little to no warning, resulting in the loss of years of volunteer contributions. We need to pre-empt this.
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| For reasons and examples stated in this article, any centralized web-based service will go offline some day. Some sooner, some later. Popularity is not even a guarantee that a service gets continued
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| Source: [https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/ Karl Voit].
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| [[User:Elominius|Elominius]] ([[User talk:Elominius|talk]]) 03:59, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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| Please install [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters HitCounters] for MediaWiki. This extension shows the view counts an article is getting. It would be nice to see it. [[User:Elominius|Elominius]] ([[User talk:Elominius|talk]]) 08:15, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
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| So I was wondering about the overall things of the consumer wiki by Louis Rossman (Apologies if I get the name wrong), and so I decided to join on the bandwagon. But I do have a question: Why is this wiki centered around the US? I live in a different continent, predominately, Europe. I do have a reason since most of which the "Consumer Tools" is centered around the US, such as the Better Business Bureau, FDA, and others. Since my homeland doesn't exactly have those said agencies like you guys do, and that is what I have been wondering about.
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| Thank you, uh, sincerely, anonymous. [[User:Jerry468|Jerry468]] ([[User talk:Jerry468|talk]]) 17:48, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
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| :@[[User:Jerry468|Jerry468]] Most of our contributors are from the US, and Rossmann himself is American. But this is a global wiki and we would welcome your contributions, especially in Europe. I think ideally the goal is to have coverage of consumer rights violations everywhere. We just are not yet there. Thanks for signing up! '''''[[User:JackFromWisconsin|📎 JackFromWisconsin]]''''' ([[User_talk:JackFromWisconsin|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JackFromWisconsin|contribs]]) 18:45, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
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Given the topic of this wiki, it surprises me that getting help seems to be gated behind discord.
I think it would make sense to have the link on the home page (which currently goes to discord) go to a page that explains the discord situation, points out the downsides of discord (including a link to the wiki’s coverage of discord), and then lists the discord link, as well as a link to wherever on the wiki one can get help if decide not to discord.
For discord you have to read 29 pages of TOS, 19 pages of privacy policy; agree to their data harvesting, give up 7th amendment rights (forced arbitration), no class action, etc. Then create an account, including surrendering your birth date. Then figure out how to use yet another interface. Evidently in some places you also have to send them a picture of you with some id (yours if you trust them, fake if you don't).
Pretty ironic for this wiki advocating consumers rights to gate things behind some company with a less than stellar consumer rights stance. I figure that wondering about discord is a frequently asked question, and there is probably a standard response/explanation, but I can not find anything about this on the wiki. Where is the coverage of this?
If such an explanation does not exist, please help create one. Some of the things I think it well to address:
- Why discord?
- Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform? (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected? What are desiderata? What is anticipated time frame?)
- Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page? (I haven’t found a tool to do this. If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it]) A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better. (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.)
Any other questions such an explanation should answer?
I wrote this a few days ago, but hadn't posted it. Just saw Mr. Rossmann's video about discord's new terms of service. Seems to me even more urgent to modify how this wiki pushes people to discord. Thanks.
Drakeula (talk) 00:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
- Current TOS score average reading level of 14th grade (Junior in college), estimated reading time 42 minutes just for the TOS. A 2021 version of Discord TOS featured in "EULAs of despair". Linked TOS 5.62 Tolstoys, over 275 hours.[[1]] Drakeula (talk) 16:43, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Where should users ask questions if they don't do discord? e.g., Questions about how to use wiki? Questions about policy? And most important, questions they can't figure out where to ask?
I have looked around, even read through the staff directory, but can't figure out who/where to ask.
A quick link/directory of where to ask would be really helpful on the homepage. Thank you. Drakeula (talk) 00:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
- Not a mod (you’ve probably seen me say that by now) but I’d go to CRW Team which shows members, click on one of the blue wiki links and ask for advice on a mods talk page. They usually get back within a day or so. AnotherConsumerRightsPerson (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
- Basically this^
- It might be best to ping specific moderators since not many of them are frequently on or are aware of all the Talk pages. And still, the noticeboard is the best bet for all questions, especially if you don't have one specific mod in mind. You can also ping someone there too. Beanie Bo (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
