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~~Changing tone feels like rocket science, so I am using this page to not have as big of a pressure to have my browser tab open~~

='''⚠''' ''Notice - Leaving CRW''=

[[Discord]] is an instant messaging platform separate from the Consumer Rights Wiki website.

https://~~consumerrights~~.~~wiki~~/w/~~Tesla_cybertruck_voids_warranty_if_advertised_Power-Your-Site_feature_is_used~~

It has its own [https://discord.com/terms Terms of Service] and [https://discord.com/privacy Privacy Policy] agreements, with elements that may be considered violations of consumer rights including its [https://discord.com/terms#16 forced arbitration and class action waiver] terms. More info is available on the CRW [[Discord]] page.

~~Background~~

[https://discord.gg/8w5rSNAXRf ✅ OK, take me to the CRW Discord server]

~~originally~~:

==I don't want to use Discord. Do I ''have to''?==

If you have general questions about the wiki (editing, discussing sources, etc), you can use the search bar at the top to see if your question has been answered already.

If you didn't find anything, you can make a new section at the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]] (A link is also available on the left sidebar.)

==So why the Discord link?==

~~...These Cybertruck models tend~~ to have ~~large battery capacities around 120kWh~~.~~[1] These vehicles consume much more power for their driving operation, like when they are accelerating 0-100km/h (60mph) under three seconds with their over 200kW motors[1]. It~~ is a ~~power requirement that the batteries should handle easily~~, ~~so it is expected~~ that ~~if regular driving falls within battery warranty that this "Power Your Site" feature would also fall under warranty~~, ~~especially if it is advertised without any disclaimers~~.~~[2]~~

Discord is a common platform used by many people to connect and collaborate with each other in real time, and many people already have accounts on it. While it is not a perfect platform, a more suitable platform that can replicate its instantaneous, organized conversation has not yet been agreed upon.

~~draft~~:

There is an ongoing discussion for the main page on possible platform alternatives: [[Talk:Main Page#Please add cautions to discord link|Please add cautions to discord link]]<!-- From Drakeula: Some of the things I think it well to address:

... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which primarily power the vehicle's movement. Having 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?~~action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]] and weighing 3 tons, driving normally uses~~ more ~~energy than the 11~~.~~5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying~~. ~~Thus~~, it is strange the Power Your Site features is not covered under warranty, being advertised on their website with no disclaimers. [[https://www.tesla.com/powershare literally the Tesla Powershare page] lmao].

Why discord?

Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform? (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected? What are desiderata? What is anticipated time frame?)

~~originally 2~~ (~~Updated warranty void conditions~~ for the ~~car battery~~):

Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page? (I haven’t found a tool to do this. If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it]) A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better. (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.)

~~So that means that it is possible for Tesla to change the performance of the battery remotely, without the customer being able to use warranty if this update negatively affects them.~~

Any other questions such an explanation should answer? -->

~~draft 2:~~

---

~~'''This means''' that it is possible ...~~

Final ed note: Anyone is free to edit this page. I'll make a Sandbox 2 eventually if I need one

~~random notes~~:

~~as of 2025-06-05 it~~ is ~~still dubiously covered under the [https://digitalassets~~.~~tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6; isn~~'~~t being "stationary" part of powering~~ a house?; | page 8, "Using the vehicle as a permanent or long-term power source with signs of unreasonably high energy throughput that may be inconsistent with the mileage driven;" what is determined as unreasonable? do they get that sole power? I ~~may~~ need ~~to bring this to a talk page, updating the info is not the scope I had when first starting this draft page.~~

~~the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢~~

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-Changing tone feels like rocket science, so I am using this page to not have as big of a pressure to have my browser tab open
+='''⚠''' ''Notice - Leaving CRW''=
+[[Discord]] is an instant messaging platform separate from the Consumer Rights Wiki website.
-https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Tesla_cybertruck_voids_warranty_if_advertised_Power-Your-Site_feature_is_used
+It has its own [https://discord.com/terms Terms of Service] and [https://discord.com/privacy Privacy Policy] agreements, with elements that may be considered violations of consumer rights including its [https://discord.com/terms#16 forced arbitration and class action waiver] terms. More info is available on the CRW [[Discord]] page.
-Background
+<!-- Insert fancy HTML button here a la main page --> [https://discord.gg/8w5rSNAXRf ✅ OK, take me to the CRW Discord server]
-originally:
+==I don't want to use Discord. Do I ''have to''?==
+<big>No.</big> <!-- << this No is impolite and also looks bad -Raster -->
+If you have general questions about the wiki (editing, discussing sources, etc), you can use the search bar at the top to see if your question has been answered already. <!-- It's not perfect. In my testing using multiple words seem to return less results. IDK how it works best. Single words? -->
+If you didn't find anything, you can make a new section at the [[Consumer Rights Wiki talk:Moderators' noticeboard|Moderators' noticeboard]] (A link is also available on the left sidebar.) <!-- I considered linking Start a new section itself but that might mean people won't read what's on top of the diggity dang page (from personal experience, I know I forget the sidebar exists and struggled finding Moderators' noticeboard on the sidebar. My perception is hilariously bad if the side bar isn't the main focus of a page lmao). -->
+==So why the Discord link?==<!-- This is very basic. While I have previously been active on Discord, I have never been on the CRW's and can only assume they have well-segmented channels -->
-...These Cybertruck models tend to have large battery capacities around 120kWh.[1] These vehicles consume much more power for their driving operation, like when they are accelerating 0-100km/h (60mph) under three seconds with their over 200kW motors[1]. It is a power requirement that the batteries should handle easily, so it is expected that if regular driving falls within battery warranty that this "Power Your Site" feature would also fall under warranty, especially if it is advertised without any disclaimers.[2]
+Discord is a common platform used by many people to connect and collaborate with each other in real time, and many people already have accounts on it. While it is not a perfect platform, a more suitable platform that can replicate its instantaneous, organized conversation has not yet been agreed upon.
-draft:
+There is an ongoing discussion for the main page on possible platform alternatives: [[Talk:Main Page#Please add cautions to discord link|Please add cautions to discord link]]<!-- From Drakeula: Some of the things I think it well to address:
-... These vehicles are equipped with 200kW motors, which primarily power the vehicle's movement. Having 79 MPGe [[https://www.evspecifications.com/en/model-efficiency/800fef 2nd EVe source here]][[https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=49123 fueleconomy.gov sauce]] and weighing 3 tons, driving normally uses more energy than the 11.5kWh the Power Your Site feature would be supplying. Thus, it is strange the Power Your Site features is not covered under warranty, being advertised on their website with no disclaimers. [[https://www.tesla.com/powershare literally the Tesla Powershare page] lmao].
+Why discord?
+Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform? (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected? What are desiderata? What is anticipated time frame?)
-originally 2 (Updated warranty void conditions for the car battery):
+Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page? (I haven’t found a tool to do this. If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it]) A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better. (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.)
-So that means that it is possible for Tesla to change the performance of the battery remotely, without the customer being able to use warranty if this update negatively affects them.
+Any other questions such an explanation should answer? -->
-draft 2:
+---
-'''This means''' that it is possible ...
+Final ed note: Anyone is free to edit this page. I'll make a Sandbox 2 eventually if I need one
-random notes:
-as of 2025-06-05 it is still dubiously covered under the [https://digitalassets.tesla.com/tesla-contents/image/upload/tesla-cybertruck-new-vehicle-limited-warranty-en-us.pdf; current limited warranty]. page 6; isn't being "stationary" part of powering a house?; | page 8, "Using the vehicle as a permanent or long-term power source with signs of unreasonably high energy throughput that may be inconsistent with the mileage driven;" what is determined as unreasonable? do they get that sole power? I may need to bring this to a talk page, updating the info is not the scope I had when first starting this draft page.
-the only thing i know about electric vehicles is from Technology Connections ok. please be patient 🧢