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::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] any update still? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:44, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

::::::::Jake's on it - we've been going back and forth over whether to have a managed instance or self hosted - sry for the kerfuffle! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

==Can you help moving my page==

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==Regarding a recent article I created==

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development|Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

:Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

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::::::::Other useful information:

::::::::IP Biometrix: Their current website shows no information or response regarding the events. https://ip-biometrix.com/

::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:AI ~~Surveillance Dashboard~~.png]]

::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:IP Biometrix AI surveillance dashboard.png]]

::::::::There are other outlets covering this as well, but these are the primary sources needed. I am disgusted by Happy's answer and Boulevard Bulgaria's PR-like article. Please inform Louis to check the email I've sent about this issue; I've formulated all the needed information there. I am furious. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::::::Crucial note: While the filename indicates November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified. Additionally, there is another screenshot in the article from that same date (Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png), which may indicate that the screenshots were made when the article was posted rather than during live operation." [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::::::Unfortunately, I cannot dedicate unlimited time to maintaining and updating this page alone given the rapid developments. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding that. :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::::::yep, we've recieved it alright. I'm reworking the article a bit at the moment, to ensure that it's a bit more neutral, fits our editorial policies etc., and does not make any original claims beyond those contained in sources. My current understanding is that there is no evidence that the system has been deployed at scale, as such I'm moving/renaming the article and rewording some of the content.

:::::::::I'd appreciate if you could keep your bg translation up-to-date with the changes made to the english article (or find someone who is able to do so) to make sure that it's in-line as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:08, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

::::::::::I've edited and added as much context as I could to both articles for now. I'm going to take a little break for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot for your support and dedication to this issue and the wiki as a whole. Talk to you soon! [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 09:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::::::::Lastly for now, could you move the translation to change the title? Разработка на биометричен инструмент за наблюдение на Happy Bar & Grill/Burrata. I suggest specifying Burrata in the English version as well, as we have implication from the company's response that the screenshot of the monitoring is real and not fabricated (pleas read their official response thoroughly before doing anything). [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 10:03, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

::::::::::::update on the above - i fucked up my original edit I was referring to in the above comment, and for some reason it didn't get committed to the article. I've re-made it now. it basically walks back some of the claims where the article was making strong inferences and interpretations of what the sources were saying, to ensure that we're not speculating (given the nature of the site as a wiki, we should not generally be doing original interpretation of sources in articles, especially where they relate to practices carried out by a company)

::::::::::::I read a translation of the statement (seems like the full version is posted to MobileBulgaria) and have been basing my understanding on that. feel free to come back to me if I've misinterpreted it to a significant extent [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:47, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

==Stub Pains==

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I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.

links: [[AirPods ~~Connection Vulnerability~~]] | [[AirPods Max ~~Moisture Issue~~]]

links: [[AirPods connection vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max moisture issue]]

When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)

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hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

:That ref is caused by [[Template:Ph-C-Int]]. Remove that and the ref will disappear as well. You can't delete the ref without deleting the box. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

::Thank you for the help, I've replaced the box with a simple message to do the summary. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:46, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

==Bill JSON link merge issue for API==

[[Colorado SB26-090 critical infrastructure exemption]] [low priority issue]

Some citations involving API requests and pulling JSON have the selector merged with the actual link, resulting in a direct click of the link returning a non-valid result.

Example: Ref #19 links: https://data.colorado.gov/resource/dxfk-9ifj.json?$select=sum(incomeamount)&$where=upper(lobbyistname), when everything after the question mark should be non-linked, and the original link should have everything after the question mark removed. Then click check should return valid JSON objects.

I've added the following string to all references where I believe this appears, I've only gone through half the list however: "!!! JSON SELECTOR MERGED WITH LINK, RESULTS IN BROKEN CLICK !!!"

If there are any other instances of this happening, I'll make another minor edit, feel free to revert if there's actually no real problem and I'm going insane.

It really would be nice to do the JSON parsing within the actual link and have the API return the valid results, unfortunate. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:35, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

:Also, I can't seem to follow the instructions for reference #16 https://www.sos.state.co.us/lobby/ [low priority issue]

:"To verify: go to the Colorado Secretary of State lobby registration search at https://www.sos.state.co.us/lobby, click "Bill Search," enter "SB26-090" as the bill number, and select the 2025-2026 session. The search returns all registered lobbyists, their clients, and their positions (Supporting, Opposing, Monitoring, etc.). Accessed April 3, 2026."

:My attempt to verify (results in error): "Bill/resolution number is invalid. Example: for bill number 12-002 enter as 002."

:#1: to go link in instructions

:#2: click search by bill number, land on https://www.sos.state.co.us/lobby/SearchSubject.do

:#3: bill resolution: empty | session 2026 (also tried 2025) | bill resolution number (tried 26-090, 090, 90, SB26-090)

:If you or the original person referencing this page (I think Louis?) Knows how to actually return something that isn't red error text, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:44, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

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 ::::::::Apologies for not seeing this sooner - I'll send over a link just now! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
 ::::::Hi, any update on the Zulip bridge? Sorry for asking after such a short time but I'd really like to use it! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:24, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
+:::::::@[[User:Keith|Keith]] any update still? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 12:44, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
+::::::::Jake's on it - we've been going back and forth over whether to have a managed instance or self hosted - sry for the kerfuffle! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
 ==Can you help moving my page==
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 ==Regarding a recent article I created==
-Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
+Hello, Keith! I have finally decided to become a contributor here. The article I've been working on is [[Happy Bar & Grill biometric surveillance tool development|Happy Bar & Grill Biometric Surveillance]]. However, when someone I've sent the link to opens it, they see the version that was last updated before I created my profile. What could be causing this? I apologise for any lack of knowledge on my part. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 18:23, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
 :Unfortunately this is a problem with cloudflare's caching. If you wait a short while, or they log in, they should see the updated version. We've found a solution and will be shipping it with the next version of the wiki so that page edits are instantly reflected in cached versions of pages. Until then, it's just a case of waiting a while or logging in (logging in bypasses the cache as it needs to load user-specific elements). Great work on the article by the way! Just as a heads up, we're happy to have sources in non-english languages, so if you find any Bulgarian sources discussing it, those would be great to add to the article to demonstrate notability. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
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 ::::::::Other useful information:
 ::::::::IP Biometrix: Their current website shows no information or response regarding the events. https://ip-biometrix.com/
-::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:AI Surveillance Dashboard.png]]
+::::::::Confirmation that this is indeed "Burrata Italiana Varna" in Varna, Bulgaria: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Burrata+Italiana+Varna/@43.1962014,27.9154998,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x40a453f66ec877b1:0x1331c25a3c536926!8m2!3d43.1962014!4d27.9180747!16s%2Fg%2F11js3ffhz7?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDMxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D; [[:File:IP Biometrix AI surveillance dashboard.png]]
 ::::::::There are other outlets covering this as well, but these are the primary sources needed. I am disgusted by Happy's answer and Boulevard Bulgaria's PR-like article. Please inform Louis to check the email I've sent about this issue; I've formulated all the needed information there. I am furious. [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 01:15, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
 :::::::::Crucial note: While the filename indicates November 2024, this date relies on the vendor's naming convention and cannot be forensically verified. Additionally, there is another screenshot in the article from that same date (Screenshot-2024-11-09-121619.png), which may indicate that the screenshots were made when the article was posted rather than during live operation." [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:27, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
 :::::::::Unfortunately, I cannot dedicate unlimited time to maintaining and updating this page alone given the rapid developments. I would greatly appreciate any help regarding that. :) [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 02:34, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
+:::::::::yep, we've recieved it alright. I'm reworking the article a bit at the moment, to ensure that it's a bit more neutral, fits our editorial policies etc., and does not make any original claims beyond those contained in sources. My current understanding is that there is no evidence that the system has been deployed at scale, as such I'm moving/renaming the article and rewording some of the content.
+:::::::::I'd appreciate if you could keep your bg translation up-to-date with the changes made to the english article (or find someone who is able to do so) to make sure that it's in-line as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:08, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
+::::::::::I've edited and added as much context as I could to both articles for now. I'm going to take a little break for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot for your support and dedication to this issue and the wiki as a whole. Talk to you soon! [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 09:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
+:::::::::::Lastly for now, could you move the translation to change the title? Разработка на биометричен инструмент за наблюдение на Happy Bar & Grill/Burrata. I suggest specifying Burrata in the English version as well, as we have implication from the company's response that the screenshot of the monitoring is real and not fabricated (pleas read their official response thoroughly before doing anything). [[User:Juuns|Juuns]] ([[User talk:Juuns|talk]]) 10:03, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
+::::::::::::update on the above - i fucked up my original edit I was referring to in the above comment, and for some reason it didn't get committed to the article. I've re-made it now. it basically walks back some of the claims where the article was making strong inferences and interpretations of what the sources were saying, to ensure that we're not speculating (given the nature of the site as a wiki, we should not generally be doing original interpretation of sources in articles, especially where they relate to practices carried out by a company)
+::::::::::::I read a translation of the statement (seems like the full version is posted to MobileBulgaria) and have been basing my understanding on that. feel free to come back to me if I've misinterpreted it to a significant extent [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:47, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
 ==Stub Pains==
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 I'm way out of my depth here with these stub notices, I added a stub to two new articles I made not realizing they would literally prevent my ability to add any text to the article.
-links: [[AirPods Connection Vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max Moisture Issue]]
+links: [[AirPods connection vulnerability]] | [[AirPods Max moisture issue]]
 When I attempt to make a change to the article, I was getting a stub deletion error. If I did something wrong, would you be able to explain what exactly happened with this so it doesn't happen again? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 06:55, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
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 hey keith, when I look at the arby's article, it says in the references, ref goes here, but then when I try to edit it out, it goes away. is there any way to fix this? If you figure out a way, I'd love to know. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 16:09, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
+:That ref is caused by [[Template:Ph-C-Int]]. Remove that and the ref will disappear as well. You can't delete the ref without deleting the box. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
+::Thank you for the help, I've replaced the box with a simple message to do the summary. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 02:46, 14 March 2026 (UTC)
+==Bill JSON link merge issue for API==
+[[Colorado SB26-090 critical infrastructure exemption]] [low priority issue]
+Some citations involving API requests and pulling JSON have the selector merged with the actual link, resulting in a direct click of the link returning a non-valid result.
+Example: Ref #19 links: https://data.colorado.gov/resource/dxfk-9ifj.json?$select=sum(incomeamount)&$where=upper(lobbyistname), when everything after the question mark should be non-linked, and the original link should have everything after the question mark removed. Then click check should return valid JSON objects.
+I've added the following string to all references where I believe this appears, I've only gone through half the list however: "!!! JSON SELECTOR MERGED WITH LINK, RESULTS IN BROKEN CLICK !!!"
+If there are any other instances of this happening, I'll make another minor edit, feel free to revert if there's actually no real problem and I'm going insane.
+It really would be nice to do the JSON parsing within the actual link and have the API return the valid results, unfortunate.  [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:35, 29 April 2026 (UTC)
+:Also, I can't seem to follow the instructions for reference #16 https://www.sos.state.co.us/lobby/ [low priority issue]
+:"To verify: go to the Colorado Secretary of State lobby registration search at https://www.sos.state.co.us/lobby, click "Bill Search," enter "SB26-090" as the bill number, and select the 2025-2026 session. The search returns all registered lobbyists, their clients, and their positions (Supporting, Opposing, Monitoring, etc.). Accessed April 3, 2026."
+:My attempt to verify (results in error): "Bill/resolution number is invalid.  Example: for bill number 12-002 enter as 002."
+:#1: to go link in instructions
+:#2: click search by bill number, land on https://www.sos.state.co.us/lobby/SearchSubject.do
+:#3: bill resolution: empty | session 2026 (also tried 2025) | bill resolution number (tried 26-090, 090, 90, SB26-090)
+:If you or the original person referencing this page (I think Louis?) Knows how to actually return something that isn't red error text, I'd love to know.  [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:44, 29 April 2026 (UTC)