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-==How will the CRW approach April Fool's day?==
-Hi, April Fool's day is next month and I don't want to initiate a discussion too late, so how would we approach it? My idea is 1) no jokes in articles, no exceptions and 2) clearly mark all jokes when they occur (I've made [[Template:April fools]] for this purpose). [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:57, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
-:If my science textbook in school gave me a QR code that ends up rickrolling me I think I'll spend longer than 1 day being distracted about it... lol
-:In my opinion they should be contained within user pages and other types of pages the common person never visits, like having it as an extra link under Wiki policy or something. It would be really bad if someone in power happens to see it the one day they get told to visit a page on the wiki. Just my two cents... but then again I'm pretty biased against the day anyway [[User:Raster|Raster]] ([[User talk:Raster|talk]]) 06:56, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
-::I don't even think we should have it under a link on Wiki policy, just silently add it with thr correct template the correct people internally will see it via recent changes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
-:Honestly, I don't think we will be doing one this year. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 07:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
-::Was there one last year? I don't think there was. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:36, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
-:::There definitely wasn't.  [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 08:29, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
-::::I've deleted the template. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:10, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
-:::::Might be worth undeleting it... Louis came up with an idea for an April Fools, based on that Norwegian enshittification video from the other day. Basic concept is to enshittify the wiki (maybe just the main page, and with an off button, of course) for a day. I fully agree with no jokes in articles - that's just a pain to keep track of and undo, and could damage credibility if done without good taste. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:33, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
-::::::I have had my ideas, but I'll keep them secret for now. I'll undelete it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
-::::::we could prob use the trollface as the wiki logo at least  [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 04:21, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
-==Appeal Request==
-Hello! The article [[Advertising overload]] is marked as incomplete and as relying on AI/LLMs. I believe I've addressed the original intent of both of these, though the bottom section ([[Advertising overload#Notable Examples]]) is still a stub. I think the AI status notice should be removed, and the Incomplete notice should be replaced with a Stub notice.
-Cheers! [[User:Scholar Silas|Scholar Silas]] ([[User talk:Scholar Silas|talk]]) 05:52, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
-:{{Done}} including '''completely removing both notices''', not marking it as a stub. The article overall is very long, and if a section is all to complain about on a very long article, then it's definitely not a stub. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
-==Who gets superconfirmed first?==
-Hello, starting this discussion since the new superconfirmed usergroup has been added and we need to figure out who to give it to first. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:07, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
-:Just tested it on [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsAlt]]; why can't it undelete pages? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 22:14, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
-::I shall fix! [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 00:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
-:::Also @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] is semiprotection mow allowing superconfirmed users only as well as admins and not just normal confirmed users? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
-::::Yes, autoconfirmed users no longer have the semiprotected permission. This was an intentional change requested by Keith [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 16:11, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
 ==add "Quasi-Wanted" Special page==
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 Apologies in advance if this is not a place for feature-requests [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:23, 15 March 2026 (UTC)
-==Appeal request for Wikipedia article==
-I've been testing out the browser plugin for the last few days and noticed it popped up on Wikipedia. After reading [[Wikipedia#cite note-15]] I wanted to challenge whether this article belongs on Consumer Rights Wiki, as I don't think it fits with the [[Mission statement]] or [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Inclusion guidelines]] at time of writing.
-Aside from mentioning that Wikipedia is big and influential (not necessarily a bad thing), there are two incidents listed. The first one relates to individual editors. The only citation for this mentions "Wikipedia has taken action against what it described as the “co-ordinated group” of fraudsters by blocking 381 accounts.".
-The second one is similar, it refers to behaviour of editors - the first citation mentions "Wikipedias in all languages, including English, are open to edits by any volunteers", and also mentions that "one of the ... admins at Scots Wikipedia, has called for native speakers to contribute as the community seeks to save the project.".
-In both cases I think this is a reasonable response from Wikipedia, they stepped in to address the issues by blocking abusive users, acknowledged the inaccuracies and called for people to help fix them. Wikipedia is free, it's hosted by a non-profit organisation and the editors are not working for Wikipedia, they are independent users of the platform. I don't think it's fair to blame them for user-generated content, and in my opinion it hurts the cause when we include articles like this alongside articles highlighting genuinely abusive business practices. [[User:DiffChar|DiffChar]] ([[User talk:DiffChar|talk]]) 23:04, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
-:When this came up, I was very concerned but decided to leave it alone. Considering someone else thinks the exact same way as me, i think it's honestly a good idea atp for me to add a deletion request template (which anyone can  do, by the way!) and refer back here. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:14, 18 March 2026 (UTC)
-:After looking it over myself, I agree - it's not relevant as it stands. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 19:41, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-::I'd concur as well. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:46, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-:::Deleted. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:49, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-==Can't Edit==
-I'm trying to edit this [[Dairy Queen]] article, however after adding the stub notice it won't allow me to edit anymore. @[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] [[User:SquidthePlummer|SquidthePlummer]] ([[User talk:SquidthePlummer|talk]]) 19:33, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
-:{{Done}}. [[consumer_Rights_Wiki_talk:Moderators%27_noticeboard/Archive_4#Can_a_mod_please_remove_this?|Easy mistake to make]]. Next time, put it at the start of the article '''and''' leave a space. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
 ==so...==
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 ::I did email Keith on the matter b4 the rollout and recently did I get knighted. thank you mods [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 18:54, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
-==I think Internet Archive has excluded anything from Bambu Lab==
+I'm unable to move this discussion to the archive, due to word filter. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 13:47, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
-I was on the Bambu Lab Authorization Control System page and I noticed that a lot of the archive links didn't work so I think Internet Archive has excluded anything from Bambu Lab.
-Do I need to move all the archive links to Ghost Archive? [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:20, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-:It's the other way around; Bambu Lab has specifically decided to block the IA. And yeah, you can certainly use Ghost Archive. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:22, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-::So should I switch all the archive links from IA to Ghost Archive [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:24, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-:::Yes. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 16:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-::::Okay, I'll get started [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 16:25, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
-::Can confirm. I made a list of companies covered on this wiki that excluded themselves from the IA [[Internet Archive/Blocked companies|here]]. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 19:13, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
-:::Thanks for making that article [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 01:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
-::::Of course! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 19:10, 9 April 2026 (UTC)
 ==Archive everything==
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 :Apologies for not speaking up sooner; I wanted mull over the matter first. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:24, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
-==JS ToneWarning appeal==
-([[JavaScript|this article]]) With the most recent edits (from other people, and myself) I think that notice can be finally removed. <code>Cleanup</code> should stay, as it's not done.
-I could remove the notice myself, but I'm asking here, just-in-case [[User:Rudxain|Rudxain]] ([[User talk:Rudxain|talk]]) 06:21, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
-:{{Done}} [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:59, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
-==Appeal request for YNAB article==
-Hey CRW!
-Today, after learning that YouNeedABudget had added forced arbitration to their ToS, I contributed [[You Need A Budget (YNAB)|my first original wiki article]]. I'd not completed each section, so it was naturally marked as a stub, but '''I believe I've satisfied the requirements for each required section, now, and that it is outside stub territory.'''
-I tried to provide as many references as I could, while keeping things as relevant as I could, but as I said, this is my first article, so please let me know if there's anything else I can contribute to improve the article in any way.
-The one thing I think could be better is providing the actual email sent by YNAB as its own file as a better reference, but because I am no longer personally a user of YNAB, I don't have a copy to provide, myself. I reached out to some users from the subreddit threads linked within the article to ask for some anonymized copy if at all possible, and if I get something back, I can provide that then (or, if someone else has their own copy, all the power to them to contribute it). Failing this, though, I hope that the links to the related discussion about the email's existence meets the standard of verifiability. [[User:Jamesonismad|Jameson Ismad]] ([[User talk:Jamesonismad|talk]]) 05:16, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
-:{{Done}} — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 22:36, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
-==deletion request==
-Seeing as how the terms are bog standard, I see no reason for this page to exist. You do not own any of the code on your machine, unless you wrote it yourself. Even open source licenses are the same.
-I couldn't figure out to make a deletion request either. wouldn't let me save the template, but I could have been doing it wrong. Instructions aren't so clear...
-[[Bandai Namco EULA]] [[User:Mandle Rex|Mandle Rex]] ([[User talk:Mandle Rex|talk]]) 09:27, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
-:The problem with the deletion request was probably that you were trying to put it on the same line as the incomplete notice (which is protected)
-:I'll add it on for you just now [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC)
-::Deleted! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 05:07, 4 May 2026 (UTC)
 ==Editing templates, protected pages, deleting irrelevant articles==
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 ::At the moment it's limited to Superconfirmed and above. Given the quality of @[[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]]'s contributions, I'd be happy to give them Superconfirmed. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:40, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
 :::Cargo templates are still fully protected, so I cannot edit them. Please see [[Special:ProtectedPages]], it may be reasonable to change most of these (especially templates) to semi-protected. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 15:34, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
+::::Cargo tables are a bit more sensitive, as external tools which use the data will rely on a consistent schema. breakages here wouldn't just affect articles on the wiki, it could also break any external tooling that uses the cargo data. on that basis cargo tables are something I'd be fairly reluctant to un-protect [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
+:::::I see. I got an idea, I may be able to wrap the cargo template in a different template. [[Template:IncidentCargo]] may be the easiest, as it doesn't render anything. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
 :Regarding edit access to the consumer tools page or any template used on the front page, additional inclusions like consumer tools are generally confirmed by staff to prevent the potential for promoting a service or product that doesn’t align with our goals.
 :Also while we have you here, creating country articles like [[Poland]] isn’t within our scope, as a country category can contain the necessary information such as their incidents and laws while linking back to the country's Wikipedia page. For that, having categories such as [[:Category:Canadian incidents]] and [[:Category:Canadian legislation]] in the Canada category would be best practice. Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 13:05, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
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 :@[[User:Keith|Keith]] [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:50, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
 ::Grabbing Keith for you since it’s been a couple hours. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 20:23, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
+:Yeah, would be happy to! I assume the scope of it is 'any page in which another page is described in brief should use an excerpt of the other page, rather than a custom summary'? [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 00:05, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
+::Yes. Currently it's a either verbatim copy of the Incident page lead section or a custom summary. The verbatim copy results in some users updating one but not the other, and then they diverge in content, sometimes missing important facts in all relevant places. Custom summary may sometimes be preferable.
+::The incident articles themselves should also be written in a way that the lead section is a summary of the incident with up to date status.
+::Ideally we should make people aware of the feature, so new articles and summaries are written with using excerpts in mind. [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 00:27, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
+::[[Itch.io#De-indexing of adult games from campaign pressure (2025)]] is an example of page that is better off with custom summary.
+::[[Adobe]] has many incidents that could be converted into excerpts.
+::[[European Union#Stop Destroying Videogames (ECI)]] excerpts smaller parts of [[SKG]] (2nd argument (section), <code>paragraphs=</code> and <code>hat=no</code> in use). [[User:Tracerneo|Tracerneo]] ([[User talk:Tracerneo|talk]]) 11:41, 20 May 2026 (UTC)