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 :::Out of curiosity, where did you find the data sheet from 2022 for the BB1275 that references 37.5A charging rate?  Do you have a link? [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 23:04, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
 ::::Let's see if the Wiki will let me post the link: www.invertersupply.com/media/data/BB1275_Manual-Edition.PIM_BB1275Rev009_07282022.pdf [[User:Pmichniewski|Pmichniewski]] ([[User talk:Pmichniewski|talk]]) 07:26, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
+:::::Awesome, thank you.  I snagged a copy of it.  So the naming implies that this is Rev 9, dated 28 July 2022.  Per the metadata, the file was created (and last modified) on 2 August 2022.  The author is Caitlin Spara, and the PDF was created via something called GPL Ghostscript 9.50.
+:::::[[File:BB1275 certification marks (2 August 2022).png|alt=Screenshot excerpt of the mark information from the BB1275 Manual, Rev 9, dated 2 August 2022 (in the metadata).  There is an ETL mark showing for Canada and US, with the number "5011501".  There is a mark with a black and white image of a globe and an airplane, reading "Conforms to UN38.3".  There is text reading "Conforms to UL STD 52133.2, Certified to CSA STD (possibly an 8, or a 3)22.2# 62133-2, Conforms to UL STD 2054" and a graphic of a trash can, with an X over it, over a short solid black bar. Note: the PDF used what appears to be a JPG to insert the mark information, and consequently the quality of these graphics is poor compared to the other information in the manual.|thumb|Certification marks from the 2 August 2022 (per the file's metadata) version of the BB1275 manual]]
+:::::The mark information in the manual seems to show an ETL mark for Canada and US, with the number "5011501".  There is a mark with a black and white image of a globe and an airplane, reading "Conforms to UN38.3" (this has to do with the battery being safe for shipping/transportation).  There is text reading "Conforms to UL STD 52133.2, Certified to CSA STD (possibly an 8, or a 3)22.2# 62133-2, Conforms to UL STD 2054" and a graphic of a trash can, with an X over it, over a short solid black bar (which I presume means "don't dispose of this in regular trash").  The author dropped what appears to be a JPG into the original file instead of low-loss graphics (like PNG) or actual vector files (e.g., SVG), so it's a bit hard to read for me. [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 14:26, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
+::::::Oh, sorry, I just noticed that I posted the wrong link. Here's the one from Sep 30 2022 that I mentioned: www.invertersupply.com/media/data/BB1275-Datasheet-9-30-22-Web-PDF-X.pdf [[User:Pmichniewski|Pmichniewski]] ([[User talk:Pmichniewski|talk]]) 15:50, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
+:::::::No sweat. In my eagerness to get the marks out of the previous one, I completely forgot that I was looking for the charging info. ; )
+:::::::Okay, this one also is dated in the filename earlier than the actual creation date: the file date suggests September 30, 2022, but the creation/last modified date on the file's metadata is November 9, 2022.  The author is "Adobe Acrobat 22.2".
+:::::::So it seems like the max charging rate was, at the end of 2022, 37.5A, and then later got changed to 50A, then back to 37.5A.
+:::::::I suppose a plausible story could be that someone at Dragonfly got confused between the models, and updated the data sheet to reflect BB120002's max charging rate, then didn't realize this until after Will's video, and then changed it back really quickly to support the lawsuit?  Still, if there was a data sheet available in 2024 that had different information, and which was downloadable from Dragonfly's Battle Born website for that battery, I cannot see how they can claim that Will should have somehow known that this was incorrect and that he should have been using information from a data sheet that was available in 2022. [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 21:17, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
+:::::::Hi there - sorry you've been having issue with posting links (we have fairly aggressive filters for link-posting in user-space, as it's a common tactic of SEO spam bots that constantly target any MediaWiki instance). James gave you the confirmed role, so you shouldn't have any more troubles with editing! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 14:48, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
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 A funny detail I noticed is that if you view the metadata of the [https://battlebornbatteries.com/cdn/shop/files/BB1275_Data_Sheet.pdf updated documentation PDF], it says it was created by <code>[email protected]</code> on 2026-06-01 20:38:36 UTC. The [https://defender.com/assets/pdf/battle-born/bb1275-standard-datasheet_v2-compressed.pdf previous file] was created on 2024-12-30 23:43:34 UTC and does not have an author attached. [[User:Je|Je]] ([[User talk:Je|talk]]) 00:40, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
+==additional video?==
+I found this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KqYu8LGtU&t=388s
+One of the people in the video, Denis Phares, says: "... whereas these batteries, Battle Born batteries, can actually charge at full capacity constantly. They'll take the full current."