Netflix stream-quality controversy: Difference between revisions

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For example: Transformers: Rise of the Beasts is HD only on Netflix,<ref>[https://www.netflix.com/title/81602889 "Netflix - Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"] - netflix.com</ref> whereas it’s clearly available in UHD on other platforms,<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Rise-Beasts-Anthony-Ramos/dp/B0BX1MWKHY "Amazon Prime - Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"] - amazon.com</ref> or Blu-ray.<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Rise-Beasts-4K-UHD/dp/B0C5P5K55N <nowiki>"Amazon - Transformers: Rise of the Beasts [4K UHD]"</nowiki>] - amazon.com</ref>

[[File:Netflix not providing 4k even if it exist2.png|thumb]]

Another movie is Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. A somewhat scribbled flowchart i made exists here on the page~~. Where~~ i show i have Netflix 4K premium and can't get even 720p despite having a very good PC and internet connection, and that i know the movie exists in 2K.

Another movie is Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. A somewhat scribbled flowchart i made exists here on the page where i show i have Netflix 4K premium and can't get even 720p despite having a very good PC and internet connection, and that i know that the movie exists in higher resolution.

Source linking from different statements from my picture, and links from within the wikipedia pages (and more):

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Links to the wikipedia pages shown in my picture:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_World:_Fallen_Kingdom][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arri_Alexa#Alexa_65]

==== Camera used ====

====Camera used in Jurassic world: Fallen Kingdom and final mastering resolution used in professional production in 2017====

The movie was shot with Arri Alexa 65, capable of ~~6.5K and 3.4K raw output [https://www.slashfilm.com/557725/j-~~a~~-bayona-interview/][https~~:~~//www.imdb.com/title/tt4881806/technical/][https://www.arrirental.com/en/cameras/digital-65-mm-cameras/alexa-65]~~

The movie was shot with Arri Alexa 65, capable of a maximum recording resolution of 6560 x 3100, with these sensor crop modes:

~~(Thinking they would shoot a movie in 6~~.~~5k resolution with a camera worth 150-200k USD and downsize it to 960x540 during post processing in 2018 is beyond me.)~~

1.78 Crop Mode: 5120 x 2880

==== ~~Reviews~~ ====

1.50 Crop Mode: 4320 x 2880

LF Open Gate: 4448 x 3096

4K UHD: 3840 x 2160

[https://www.slashfilm.com/557725/j-a-bayona-interview/][https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4881806/technical/][https://www.arrirental.com/en/cameras/digital-65-mm-cameras/alexa-65]

That they would shoot a movie in UHD resolution with a camera worth 150-200k USD and downsize it to 960x540 (similar to some DVD format and even VHS we had back in the 2000's) during post processing in 2018 is extremely unlikely and unlogical.

Here is an interview with a professional in 2017 (not working on Jurassic world: Fallen Kingdom) talking about why it is common to film in ultra high resolution and downscale. Note that he never mentioned any lower resolution than 1080p:

"From a technical side, sure, we can "future proof" the quality by mastering in 4K UHD and releasing in 1080p today only to re-release our films in 4K UHD years later without having to scale the resolution where we lose quality over the image." [https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/3626-working-with-resolutions-above-4k-we-interview-renowned-cinematographer-shane-hurlbut]

An additional take from the same interview which is a bit relevant because Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom uses alot of VFX:

"In some projects, we're starting to bring in a lot more VFX, so having the added resolution makes a big difference with our VFX team, giving them a larger canvas to work with."

An entertainment journalism website announcing the different home release versions of the movie back in 2018:

''"Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom'' arrives on Digital and via the digital movie app MOVIES ANYWHERE on September 4, 2018, as well as on 4K Ultra HD, 3D Blu-rayTM, Blu-rayTM, DVD and On Demand on September 18, 2018, Additionally, Universal is dropping a ''Jurassic'' five-film collection on 4K Ultra HD, Blu-rayTM and DVD on September 18, 2018"[https://collider.com/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-blu-ray-release-date-features/]

====Additional proof that there exist high-resolution versions of the movie====

Forbes review: "Fallen Kingdom is a gorgeous, mostly enjoyable blockbuster that looked great in IMAX."[https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/06/06/review-jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-finally-escapes-the-island/]

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You can rent the video on youtube in 1080p.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETePG9F6Zk&ab_channel=YouTubeMovies]

[[File:Jurassic world Fallen Kingdom High-res preview at youtube.png|thumb]]

(I added another picture where i show that the feed IS in fact 1080p)<!-- We should really find a source which makes this claim, or some way to 'permenantly' make this point. given how frequently streaming licenses are chopped and changed, the example listed here could be outdated within a week.

(I added another picture where i show that the feed on youtube IS in fact 1080p)<!-- We should really find a source which makes this claim, or some way to 'permenantly' make this point. given how frequently streaming licenses are chopped and changed, the example listed here could be outdated within a week.

I made an effort to show proof, i tried to be as objective as possible and come with proof from different sources as well as my own.

I made an effort to show proof, i tried to be as objective as possible and come with proof from alot of different sources, as well as my own.

~~English is not my primary language and~~ the ~~sentence "(Thinking they would shoot a~~ movie ~~in 6.5k resolution with a camera worth 150-200k USD and downsize it to 960x540 during post processing in 2018 is beyond me.)~~" ~~could be reformulated some way but don't know how. I want it to be seen as irrefutable logical proof~~ that ~~it in fact was released as original with a better~~ resolution ~~than 540p.~~ -->

Feel free to add more sources of the movie after "More sources that show/sell high resolution versions of the movie" -->

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 For example: Transformers: Rise of the Beasts is HD only on Netflix,<ref>[https://www.netflix.com/title/81602889 "Netflix - Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"] - netflix.com</ref> whereas it’s clearly available in UHD on other platforms,<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Rise-Beasts-Anthony-Ramos/dp/B0BX1MWKHY "Amazon Prime - Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"] - amazon.com</ref> or Blu-ray.<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Rise-Beasts-4K-UHD/dp/B0C5P5K55N <nowiki>"Amazon - Transformers: Rise of the Beasts [4K UHD]"</nowiki>] - amazon.com</ref>
 [[File:Netflix not providing 4k even if it exist2.png|thumb]]
-Another movie is Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. A somewhat scribbled flowchart i made exists here on the page. Where i show i have Netflix 4K premium and can't get even 720p despite having a very good PC and internet connection, and that i know the movie exists in 2K.
+Another movie is Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom. A somewhat scribbled flowchart i made exists here on the page where i show i have Netflix 4K premium and can't get even 720p despite having a very good PC and internet connection, and that i know that the movie exists in higher resolution.
 Source linking from different statements from my picture, and links from within the wikipedia pages (and more):
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 Links to the wikipedia pages shown in my picture:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_World:_Fallen_Kingdom][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arri_Alexa#Alexa_65]
-==== Camera used ====
+====Camera used in Jurassic world: Fallen Kingdom and final mastering resolution used in professional production in 2017====
-The movie was shot with Arri Alexa 65, capable of 6.5K and 3.4K raw output [https://www.slashfilm.com/557725/j-a-bayona-interview/][https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4881806/technical/][https://www.arrirental.com/en/cameras/digital-65-mm-cameras/alexa-65]
+The movie was shot with Arri Alexa 65, capable of a maximum recording resolution of 6560 x 3100, with these sensor crop modes:
-(Thinking they would shoot a movie in 6.5k resolution with a camera worth 150-200k USD and downsize it to 960x540 during post processing in 2018 is beyond me.)
+.78 Crop Mode: 5120 x 2880
-==== Reviews ====
+.50 Crop Mode: 4320 x 2880
+LF Open Gate: 4448 x 3096
+K UHD: 3840 x 2160
+[https://www.slashfilm.com/557725/j-a-bayona-interview/][https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4881806/technical/][https://www.arrirental.com/en/cameras/digital-65-mm-cameras/alexa-65]
+That they would shoot a movie in UHD resolution with a camera worth 150-200k USD and downsize it to 960x540 (similar to some DVD format and even VHS we had back in the 2000's) during post processing in 2018 is extremely unlikely and unlogical.
+Here is an interview with a professional in 2017 (not working on Jurassic world: Fallen Kingdom) talking about why it is common to film in ultra high resolution and downscale. Note that he never mentioned any lower resolution than 1080p:
+"From a technical side, sure, we can "future proof" the quality by mastering in 4K UHD and releasing in 1080p today only to re-release our films in 4K UHD years later without having to scale the resolution where we lose quality over the image." [https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/3626-working-with-resolutions-above-4k-we-interview-renowned-cinematographer-shane-hurlbut]
+An additional take from the same interview which is a bit relevant because Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom uses alot of VFX:
+"In some projects, we're starting to bring in a lot more VFX, so having the added resolution makes a big difference with our VFX team, giving them a larger canvas to work with."
+An entertainment journalism website announcing the different home release versions of the movie back in 2018:
+''"Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom'' arrives on Digital and via the digital movie app MOVIES ANYWHERE on September 4, 2018, as well as on 4K Ultra HD, 3D Blu-rayTM, Blu-rayTM, DVD and On Demand on September 18, 2018, Additionally, Universal is dropping a ''Jurassic'' five-film collection on 4K Ultra HD, Blu-rayTM and DVD on September 18, 2018"[https://collider.com/jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-blu-ray-release-date-features/]
+====Additional proof that there exist high-resolution versions of the movie====
 Forbes review: "Fallen Kingdom is a gorgeous, mostly enjoyable blockbuster that looked great in IMAX."[https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/06/06/review-jurassic-world-fallen-kingdom-finally-escapes-the-island/]
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 You can rent the video on youtube in 1080p.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETePG9F6Zk&ab_channel=YouTubeMovies]
 [[File:Jurassic world Fallen Kingdom High-res preview at youtube.png|thumb]]
-(I added another picture where i show that the feed IS in fact 1080p)<!-- We should really find a source which makes this claim, or some way to 'permenantly' make this point. given how frequently streaming licenses are chopped and changed, the example listed here could be outdated within a week.
+(I added another picture where i show that the feed on youtube IS in fact 1080p)<!-- We should really find a source which makes this claim, or some way to 'permenantly' make this point. given how frequently streaming licenses are chopped and changed, the example listed here could be outdated within a week.
-I made an effort to show proof, i tried to be as objective as possible and come with proof from different sources as well as my own.
+I made an effort to show proof, i tried to be as objective as possible and come with proof from alot of different sources, as well as my own.
-English is not my primary language and the sentence "(Thinking they would shoot a movie in 6.5k resolution with a camera worth 150-200k USD and downsize it to 960x540 during post processing in 2018 is beyond me.)" could be reformulated some way but don't know how. I want it to be seen as irrefutable logical proof that it in fact was released as original with a better resolution than 540p. -->
+Feel free to add more sources of the movie after "More sources that show/sell high resolution versions of the movie" -->
 ==Terms of Service analysis==