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:::I am unclear why those particular items seem out of scope. Perhaps you could give more detail? What scoping rule do they violate? Is it because they are primarily "old" consumer concerns, rather than "new" ones? [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | :::I am unclear why those particular items seem out of scope. Perhaps you could give more detail? What scoping rule do they violate? Is it because they are primarily "old" consumer concerns, rather than "new" ones? [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
::::Upon rereading @[[User:Keith|Keith]]'s post, I think maybe I see a bit of how we see these issues differently. I see all of the issues I mentioned through the lense of how they affect the general public. (Whether users, or non-users who are affected by AI or its uses.) Therefore, I see them all as "consumer" issues. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 10:21, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | ::::Upon rereading @[[User:Keith|Keith]]'s post, I think maybe I see a bit of how we see these issues differently. I see all of the issues I mentioned through the lense of how they affect the general public. (Whether users, or non-users who are affected by AI or its uses.) Therefore, I see them all as "consumer" issues. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 10:21, 13 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
:::::Yeah, I think the primary point of difference we have is over that definition of 'consumer'. For me, I think if we don't keep that to just being the consumer-company relationship, it would result in pretty major scope creep for the wiki overall (you can imagine how many things could be brought into scope across a wide range of circumstances). There might be some flexibility in the definition of 'consumer' (e.g. I think you could potentially count small businesses as consumers in a context where they're buying a major peice of equipment from a supplier, and the supplier is messing them about), but I think for the wiki it always has to be 'someone who is purchasing products or services (paying with either their money or their data in the case of social media etc.), and is being subjected to unfair terms when doing so. | |||
:::::I'd absolutely appreciate further input on this, as I don't think it's a completely settled issue for the wiki, and the boundries of what is and isn't in-scope are not firmly drawn yet. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::'''Control of information.''' Access to information is one of the central pillars of right to repair. Since AI radically changes what information people access, I am missing why it is out of scope. | :::'''Control of information.''' Access to information is one of the central pillars of right to repair. Since AI radically changes what information people access, I am missing why it is out of scope. | ||
:::AI summaries in search lead to: Loss of independent journalism.[https://www.404media.co/the-medias-pivot-to-ai-is-not-real-and-not-going-to-work/ The Media's Pivot to AI Is Not Real and Not Going to Work] Loss of review sights. Reviews provided by AI regurgitate manufacturer specs, give incorrect information about products, give questionable recommendations.[https://housefresh.com/beware-of-the-google-ai-salesman/ Beware of the Google AI salesman and its cronies] I haven't seen sources on this, but I see no reason why sites that post repair information/fora would be exempted from this widespread pattern. | :::AI summaries in search lead to: Loss of independent journalism.[https://www.404media.co/the-medias-pivot-to-ai-is-not-real-and-not-going-to-work/ The Media's Pivot to AI Is Not Real and Not Going to Work] Loss of review sights. Reviews provided by AI regurgitate manufacturer specs, give incorrect information about products, give questionable recommendations.[https://housefresh.com/beware-of-the-google-ai-salesman/ Beware of the Google AI salesman and its cronies] I haven't seen sources on this, but I see no reason why sites that post repair information/fora would be exempted from this widespread pattern. | ||
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If you have an opinion one-way or the other, please add on to the appeal discussion on the moderator page (wouldn't want multiple appeals). Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 18:41, 4 September 2025 (UTC) | If you have an opinion one-way or the other, please add on to the appeal discussion on the moderator page (wouldn't want multiple appeals). Thanks. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 18:41, 4 September 2025 (UTC) | ||
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