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:I can't look at the actual standards document (I think), because if I'm reading this page correctly, I would have to purchase a copy of the standard (at a minimum of $688 and a max of $1719), which is...weird. I'm probably not finding it, or I'm looking in the wrong place, but it's just driving home for me how difficult it is for the average, not-especially-technical consumer to independently verify marks that companies slap onto their products (which, to be honest, makes me ''less'' confident in the UL mark). [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 11:39, 9 June 2026 (UTC) | :I can't look at the actual standards document (I think), because if I'm reading this page correctly, I would have to purchase a copy of the standard (at a minimum of $688 and a max of $1719), which is...weird. I'm probably not finding it, or I'm looking in the wrong place, but it's just driving home for me how difficult it is for the average, not-especially-technical consumer to independently verify marks that companies slap onto their products (which, to be honest, makes me ''less'' confident in the UL mark). [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 11:39, 9 June 2026 (UTC) | ||
::I should also add that I went ahead and signed up for the UL Product IQ site, which I do not recommend considering that they ask you for a LOT of personal information up-front and won't let you sign up without doing so (so I'm not sure how long my account will last since I put a bunch of bogus info in there). I have been trying to find any other RV Lithium-Ion battery manufacturers, to try to see how their product info might compare to Dragonfly's info, and have come up empty so far. Looking at the batteries that come up on standard review sites (which may or may not be actually real) and which inevitably link to Amazon, none of the image show any batteries with any UL mark. That I have so far been able to find. [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 11:43, 9 June 2026 (UTC) | ::I should also add that I went ahead and signed up for the UL Product IQ site, which I do not recommend considering that they ask you for a LOT of personal information up-front and won't let you sign up without doing so (so I'm not sure how long my account will last since I put a bunch of bogus info in there). I have been trying to find any other RV Lithium-Ion battery manufacturers, to try to see how their product info might compare to Dragonfly's info, and have come up empty so far. Looking at the batteries that come up on standard review sites (which may or may not be actually real) and which inevitably link to Amazon, none of the image show any batteries with any UL mark. That I have so far been able to find. [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 11:43, 9 June 2026 (UTC) | ||
:::Hi Jackalgirl, | |||
:::Apparently there are different UL services and lookup pages, and the ones Dragonfly state for their certifications is Intertek; | |||
:::https://ramuk.intertekconnect.com/webclients/its/dlp/products.nsf/4c8700f3b75987a08525777700583333/8080c4204b23df7d86258b880059c69a?OpenDocument | |||
:::The listed UL-2054 certified devices: "Lithium-Ion Battery Pack, Dragonfly Energy, Battle Born, Model Nos. DF10012, BB10012, BB10012LT, DFGC2, BBGC2, BBGC2LT, DF10012H, BB10012H, BBGC2H, DFGC2H, DFTHO10012H, DFTHOGC2H, BB10012i, BBGC2i, BB10012iH and BBGC2iH. | |||
:::A representative sample of the listed devices have been tested, investigated and found to comply with the requirements of the Standard(s) for Safety Household and Commercial Batteries ([https://sunlithenergy.com/ul-2054-certification/ UL-2054]) and are identified with the ETL Listed Mark." | |||
:::Could not find any validation for the other (In the specifications documents) mentioned certifications. | |||
:::How they managed to pass these might be worth looking into. [[User:Traste|Traste]] ([[User talk:Traste|talk]]) 12:27, 9 June 2026 (UTC) | |||
==Updated documentation's author's email and creation date are attached to the PDF== | ==Updated documentation's author's email and creation date are attached to the PDF== | ||
A funny detail I noticed is that if you view the metadata of the [https://battlebornbatteries.com/cdn/shop/files/BB1275_Data_Sheet.pdf updated documentation PDF], it says it was created by <code>[email protected]</code> on 2026-06-01 20:38:36 UTC. The [https://defender.com/assets/pdf/battle-born/bb1275-standard-datasheet_v2-compressed.pdf previous file] was created on 2024-12-30 23:43:34 UTC and does not have an author attached. [[User:Je|Je]] ([[User talk:Je|talk]]) 00:40, 9 June 2026 (UTC) | A funny detail I noticed is that if you view the metadata of the [https://battlebornbatteries.com/cdn/shop/files/BB1275_Data_Sheet.pdf updated documentation PDF], it says it was created by <code>[email protected]</code> on 2026-06-01 20:38:36 UTC. The [https://defender.com/assets/pdf/battle-born/bb1275-standard-datasheet_v2-compressed.pdf previous file] was created on 2024-12-30 23:43:34 UTC and does not have an author attached. [[User:Je|Je]] ([[User talk:Je|talk]]) 00:40, 9 June 2026 (UTC) | ||