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 :::Could not find any validation for the other (In the specifications documents) mentioned certifications.
 :::How they managed to pass these might be worth looking into. [[User:Traste|Traste]] ([[User talk:Traste|talk]]) 12:27, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
+::As an example: on eTrailer, I found some other RV batteries:
+::o Dometic's "Go Power" battery, quick-start guide here: https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/catsy.549/GP-LiFePO4-100+Quick+Guide.pdf - this battery doesn't show any UL marks; it just claims that it "conforms to UL 2054", which is the standard for "Household and Commercial Batteries" (https://www.shopulstandards.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productId=UL2054_3_S_20211117).  I can't, of course, tell what this standard actually details from the source, but found this from a company in Germany: https://www.vri-gmbh.de/en/vri-knowledge-base/standards-and-regulations/ul-2054: "UL 2054 is a safety standard for portable primary (non-rechargeable) and secondary (rechargeable) batteries used as power sources in products. The standard covers both single cells and multi-cell configurations (battery packs) and defines construction requirements, test procedures and marking requirements. Unlike UL 1642, which focuses on lithium cells at the cell level, UL 2054 addresses the battery and battery pack level for all chemistries. For lithium cells used in battery packs, UL 2054 references the requirements of UL 1642 [JG: which is the safety standard for lithium batteries, both rechargeable and non-]."
+::o Rich Solar's "Alpha 1 Pro Lithium Battery" says it is certified "UL1973" on eTrailer's site (https://www.etrailer.com/Battery/Rich-Solar/RS74VR.html#exp-productdetails=.all-description), but on the info sheet (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0058/2769/0553/files/ALPHA_1_PRO-Specification-20240812v3.pdf) it just says it "conforms" to "UL 1973", which is "ANSI/CAN/UL Batteries for Use in Stationary and Motive Auxiliary Power Applications" (https://www.shopulstandards.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productId=UL1973_3_S_20220225).   I can find no info for this battery at UL's "ProductIQ" site; Rich Solar lists three 3 items, which seem to be for solar panels; none of the listings include any model names for the batteries that Rich Solar is selling, so I don't think it's actually certified.
+::I know this is not relevant to Battle Born; however, what I'm trying to convey here is the difficulty of actually understanding and tracking this stuff down (for a person who is not an engineer and who has not had extensive training in this system).
+::Additional resources: I (finally!) found my way to UL's page for batteries in general, which should be a good resource: https://www.ul.com/services/battery-safety-testing.  It lists the following relevant "global" UL standards:
+::* [https://www.shopulstandards.com/ProductDetail.aspx?UniqueKey=37777 UL 1642], the Standard for Lithium Batteries
+::* [https://www.shopulstandards.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productId=UL2054_3_S_20211117 UL 2054], the Standard for Household and Commercial Batteries
+::* [https://shopulstandards.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productId=UL2056_1_S_20241022 UL 2056], the Standard for Power Banks
+::* IEC/[https://www.shopulstandards.com/ProductDetail.aspx?UniqueKey=36642 UL 62133-2], the Standard for Secondary Cells and Batteries Containing Alkaline or Other Non-Acid Electrolytes - Safety Requirements for Portable Sealed Secondary Cells, and for Batteries Made from Them, for Use in Portable Applications - Part 2: Lithium Systems
+::Links are to the standards sales site.
+::Note that UL 1973 is not in this list, possibly because it is not "global". Lithonics claims that this is the most relevant standard for RVs and marine systems: https://lithionics.com/ul-1973-lithium-battery-safety-for-rv-marine-systems/ (but it is difficult to independently verify this claim, at least through UL directly). [[User:Jackalgirl|Jackalgirl]] ([[User talk:Jackalgirl|talk]]) 12:29, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
 ==Updated documentation's author's email and creation date are attached to the PDF==
 A funny detail I noticed is that if you view the metadata of the [https://battlebornbatteries.com/cdn/shop/files/BB1275_Data_Sheet.pdf updated documentation PDF], it says it was created by <code>[email protected]</code> on 2026-06-01 20:38:36 UTC. The [https://defender.com/assets/pdf/battle-born/bb1275-standard-datasheet_v2-compressed.pdf previous file] was created on 2024-12-30 23:43:34 UTC and does not have an author attached. [[User:Je|Je]] ([[User talk:Je|talk]]) 00:40, 9 June 2026 (UTC)