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{{Hatnote|Main article: [[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}}

On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a ~~[https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I~~ review] on DCS' ~~[https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/~~ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also made a [https://~~youtu~~.be/vRcSPuBob-I ~~followup video regarding DCS' questionable history]~~. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS.{{~~Citation needed}}~~

On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also made a followup video regarding DCS' questionable history<ref>{{Cite web |last=AllOffRoad 4x4 |date=16 Aug 2023 |title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I |website=YouTube}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web |last=Rossmann |first=Louis |date=31 Jul 2024 |title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. |url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk |website=YouTube}}</ref>.

~~AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years.{{Citation needed~~}}~~They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.~~ <~~!-- 30-50% figure is from: https:~~/~~/youtu~~.~~be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 -->~~

AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web |last=Rossmann |first=Louis |date=23 Jul 2024 |title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty |url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 |website=YouTube}}</ref>{{Citation needed|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy{{Citation needed}}.

===Hidden warranty policy update===

DCS' warranty policy claims that:<ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>

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*This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.

This has been the case since November 7, 2023~~<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>~~ according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ~~ran by~~ the ~~[[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|~~National Library of Australia~~]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023,~~<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/~~20230309064156~~/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref> the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021. <~~!-- Well, Trove is~~ "~~a collaboration between the National Library of Australia and hundreds of Partner organisations around Australia~~" ~~according to their homepage at~~ https://~~trove~~.nla.gov.au/. ~~Is this important to point out though?~~ -->

This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service partnered with the National Library of Australia and other organizations<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>.

The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that:

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====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====

~~[https://web.archive.org/~~ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:

Internet Archive's Wayback Machine has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:

*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.

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 {{Hatnote|Main article: [[DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty]]}}
-On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a [https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I review] on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also made a [https://youtu.be/vRcSPuBob-I followup video regarding DCS' questionable history]. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS.{{Citation needed}}<!-- Information about there being 2 videos is from: https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk -->
+On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after performing a capacity test. They also made a followup video regarding DCS' questionable history<ref>{{Cite web |last=AllOffRoad 4x4 |date=16 Aug 2023 |title=DCS Lithium LiFePo4 Under Bonnet Update: I went back to Lead Acid (under bonnet) 2023 |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcSPuBob-I |website=YouTube}}</ref>. Both videos were set to private following legal threats from DCS<ref>{{Cite web |last=Rossmann |first=Louis |date=31 Jul 2024 |title=Man sued for YouTube product review reinstates video in blow to Deep Cycle Systems. |url=https://youtu.be/d37BG0O0mFk |website=YouTube}}</ref>.
-AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years.{{Citation needed}}They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy. <!-- 30-50% figure is from: https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 -->
+AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the storage capacity is lost in the first several years<ref>{{Cite web |last=Rossmann |first=Louis |date=23 Jul 2024 |title=DCS sues Small YouTuber for accurate product review showing battery issues & misleading warranty |url=https://youtu.be/_QNMVMlx48E?t=131 |website=YouTube}}</ref>{{Citation needed|reason=needs primary source}}. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy{{Citation needed}}.
 ===Hidden warranty policy update===
 DCS' warranty policy claims that:<ref>https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref><!-- It says "fails to deliver less than X% of it's rated capacity", which is confusing. -->
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 *This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.
-This has been the case since November 7, 2023<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref> according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023,<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref> the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021.  <!-- Well, Trove is "a collaboration between the National Library of Australia and hundreds of Partner organisations around Australia" according to their homepage at https://trove.nla.gov.au/. Is this important to point out though? -->
+This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service partnered with the National Library of Australia and other organizations<ref name=":0">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20231107111343/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021<ref name=":1">https://webarchive.nla.gov.au/awa/20230309064156/https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/shipping-return-policy/</ref>.
 The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that:
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 ====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives====
-[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
+Internet Archive's Wayback Machine has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
 *DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.