Editing User talk:Kostas (section)

==Discussion on articles that link to guides==

Hi, recently I wrote the article for the ultimate guide to an open source life video, as it did not have an article on this wiki yet. As you can now find the categories on the main page of the wiki, which includes [[:Category:User guides|user guides]], it initially made sense to also categorize this article as such. The intention was also to make it easy for visitors of this wiki to find related resources, and for them to learn about what they can do. The section on guides for the [[Consumer_Action_Taskforce:Article_types|article types]] is strict for posting full guides, which is why the article does not repeat the guide, but refers to it. The same is true for another article, running AI models locally guide. Later I saw that there was confusion on whether or not to place a guide notice on this article, understandably, so what follows is how that should now be resolved for both articles:

I agree with you that they should not be marked as user guides, as they do not contain the full guide but refer to external resources. So to avoid further confusion, I changed their category to external guides to indicate that they are articles that just summarize resources external to this wiki. And of course the articles should only be made if, like the user guides, they allow users to regain ownership of their product. This category is a subcategory of [[:Category:User guides|user guides]], as they align with the same goal, makes them distinct, but still readily accessible via the main page of the wiki. I hope this clarification helps, and if you have any thoughts on this, feel free to reply --[[User:InTransparencyWeTrust|InTransparencyWeTrust]] 19:12, 05 February 2025 (UTC)

:Hey @[[User:InTransparencyWeTrust|InTransparencyWeTrust]], thanks for reaching out about this. I still have my reservations about having these as a sub-category to user guides. As far as content they fit more in the theme category but I can definetely see the reasoning behind the catgorization in that category (discoverability etc). I wanted to ask the opinion of @[[User:Keith|Keith]] and @[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] on this before contacting you about the category this sould fall under but having this conversation here might be better.
:The thing is that having guide on the wiki is not something we want to focus on so adding more types/versions of them would probably not be something we want to encourage. I thought of having the futo guide article as a section of the FUTO company page rather than a seperate enty would be better (or maybe I have missunderstood what the end goal with that is) and categorizing the local running of AI as a user guide page, so it can also bear the notice, despite the more general nature.  [[User:Kostas|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas|talk]]) 21:00, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
::I think that 'Youtube content creator made a video detailing instructions on how to set up self-managed stuff' is somewhat beyond the scope of the Wiki. The most I could see it being here would be as a small mention in the FUTO article (i.e. FUTO comissioned this guide, which sought to advance conumser rights) or something of the sort. I don't think it fits as its own guide article here. At present, the only guides which exist on the Wiki are those directly tied to specific conusmer protection incidents, and I think that's probably how it should stay for the forseeable future. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 21:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
::When an external guide relates to a specific incident, a short paragraph on the incident page should be enough to refer readers to the guide. A whole article is not needed.
::Right now, there are four full guides directly under the user guides category. I would argue that they do not align with the purpose of this wiki, which is to highlight consumer protection issues. The existence of these guides will make moderation more difficult as the wiki grows larger and edits are made more frequently.
::I feel the same way toward the external guides, which are just summaries of external resources. Why do we need these, when we can just link to the external resources where relevant? [[User:Waldo|Waldo]] ([[User talk:Waldo|talk]]) 21:20, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
:::The idea to move futo guide article to the FUTO company page itself seems like the best idea, I will move it accordingly. The same holds for the other article, that can also be moved into the main article as a section, which I will also do. Thank you--[[User:InTransparencyWeTrust|InTransparencyWeTrust]] 21:26, 05 February 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:InTransparencyWeTrust|InTransparencyWeTrust]] Thanks you and thank you for taking the time to write articles as well.
::::For the AI article page I am not sure which page would be apropriate, but if you find a suitable onee and try to cut down its length a bit to be more brief we could try and see if it fits.
::::Another possible option is to make an article with a more detailed guide on self hosting an LLM on wiki.futo.org I am not sure if it is exactly in scope for there or if the articles should only focus on different ways to do the things on the main guide, but I would think it would fit better there, theme being self hosting and all.  [[User:Kostas|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas|talk]]) 21:36, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
::::For now I moved that content to the [[Artificial intelligence]] page as it it is quite short, and leaves room to talk about the privacy concerns regarding these online chatbots. If someone wants to make a larger guide on the other wiki, feel free to do so. --[[User:InTransparencyWeTrust|InTransparencyWeTrust]] 21:57, 05 February 2025 (UTC)
:::::I think that works for the moment. Thank you.  [[User:Kostas|Kostas]] ([[User talk:Kostas|talk]]) 22:06, 5 February 2025 (UTC)