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Looks like we are doing alright so far with this page; lol... people go ahead of me - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 02:51, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
==Please add cautions to discord link==


==Can we categorize this?==
Given the topic of this wiki, it surprises me that getting help seems to be gated behind [[discord]]. 


Just to clean up [[Special:UncategorizedPages]]. I suggest putting this page under [[:Category:CAT]]. [[User:Waldo|Waldo]] ([[User talk:Waldo|talk]]) 08:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
I think it would make sense to have the link on the home page (which currently goes to discord) go to a page that explains the discord situation, points out the downsides of discord (including a link to the wiki’s coverage of discord), and then lists the discord link, as well as a link to wherever on the wiki one can get help if decide not to discord.


Moved this into the CAT category so it isn't eaten by special pages as requested; looks like it may have already been in the root namespace but just for clarity sake until we build a full on mainpage. Thanks for the catch <3 - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 11:36, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
For discord you have to read 29 pages of TOS, 19 pages of privacy policy; agree to their data harvesting, give up 7th amendment rights (forced arbitration), no class action, etc.  Then create an account, including surrendering your birth date.  Then figure out how to use yet another interface.  Evidently in some places you also have to send them a picture of you with some id (yours if you trust them, fake if you don't).


==Anonymization of non-logged in user IPs==
Pretty ironic for this wiki advocating consumers rights to gate things behind some company with a less than stellar consumer rights stance.  I figure that wondering about discord is a frequently asked question, and there is probably a standard response/explanation, but I can not find anything about this on the wiki.  Where is the coverage of this?


I would like to request that users who make edits without user accounts do not have their full IP published in the edit log.
If such an explanation does not exist, please help create one.  Some of the things I think it well to address:
*Why discord?
*Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform?  (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected?  What are desiderata?  What is anticipated time frame?)
*Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page?  (I haven’t found a tool to do this.  If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it])  A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better.  (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.)


:I made a suggestion on the Discord server on your behalf. [[User:Waldo|Waldo]] ([[User talk:Waldo|talk]]) 10:44, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
Any other questions such an explanation should answer?


:For that there is an extension called AnonPrivacy https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AnonPrivacy [[User:Fen|Fen]] ([[User talk:Fen|talk]]) 22:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
I wrote this a few days ago, but hadn't posted it. Just saw Mr. Rossmann's video about discord's new terms of service. Seems to me even more urgent to modify how this wiki pushes people to discord.  Thanks.
::Greetings, I made the suggestion to the team on your behalf. At the momment, there is no plan or intention to anonymize IPs for non-logged in users. It helps with accountability as knowing the IP will be visible deterring bad behavior. It also makes moderation easier. Realistically the only alternative is hashing the ip which complex and destroys the core principles that the wiki is about. [[User:Fen|Fen]] ([[User talk:Fen|talk]]) 23:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
[[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC)


== Add a patent as a source ==
:Current TOS score average reading level of 14th grade (Junior in college), estimated reading time 42 minutes just for the TOS.  A 2021 version of Discord TOS featured in "EULAs of despair".  Linked TOS 5.62 Tolstoys, over 275 hours.[[https://www.pilotlab.org/eulas-of-despair]]  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 16:43, 9 October 2025 (UTC)


My interest in this woke up when editing [[Figma threatens companies using "Dev Mode"|this article]], and following the [[wikipedia:Template:Cite_patent|Wikipedia page to cite from a patent]], when previewing the article the reference wasn't rendered properly. I don't know if I screwed up something or really the site doesn't support yet the use of this format. Hope someone could illustrate me on how to move on with this [[User:Fjordpining|Fjordpining]] ([[User talk:Fjordpining|talk]]) 06:33, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
==Where to ask questions on the wiki?==
 
Where should users ask questions if they don't do discord?  e.g., Questions about how to use wiki?  Questions about policy?  And most important, questions they can't figure out where to ask? 
 
I have looked around, even read through the staff directory, but can't figure out who/where to ask.
 
A quick link/directory of where to ask would be really helpful on the homepage.  Thank you.  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
 
:Not a mod (''you’ve probably seen me say that by now'') but I’d go to [[CRW Team]] which shows members, click on one of the blue wiki links and ask for advice on a mods talk page. They usually get back within a day or so. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
::Basically this^
::It might be best to ping specific moderators since not many of them are frequently on or are aware of all the Talk pages. And still, the noticeboard is the best bet for all questions, especially if you don't have  one specific mod in mind. You can also ping someone there too. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:55, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

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Given the topic of this wiki, it surprises me that getting help seems to be gated behind discord.

I think it would make sense to have the link on the home page (which currently goes to discord) go to a page that explains the discord situation, points out the downsides of discord (including a link to the wiki’s coverage of discord), and then lists the discord link, as well as a link to wherever on the wiki one can get help if decide not to discord.

For discord you have to read 29 pages of TOS, 19 pages of privacy policy; agree to their data harvesting, give up 7th amendment rights (forced arbitration), no class action, etc. Then create an account, including surrendering your birth date. Then figure out how to use yet another interface. Evidently in some places you also have to send them a picture of you with some id (yours if you trust them, fake if you don't).

Pretty ironic for this wiki advocating consumers rights to gate things behind some company with a less than stellar consumer rights stance. I figure that wondering about discord is a frequently asked question, and there is probably a standard response/explanation, but I can not find anything about this on the wiki. Where is the coverage of this?

If such an explanation does not exist, please help create one. Some of the things I think it well to address:

  • Why discord?
  • Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform? (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected? What are desiderata? What is anticipated time frame?)
  • Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page? (I haven’t found a tool to do this. If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it]) A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better. (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.)

Any other questions such an explanation should answer?

I wrote this a few days ago, but hadn't posted it. Just saw Mr. Rossmann's video about discord's new terms of service. Seems to me even more urgent to modify how this wiki pushes people to discord. Thanks. Drakeula (talk) 00:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Current TOS score average reading level of 14th grade (Junior in college), estimated reading time 42 minutes just for the TOS. A 2021 version of Discord TOS featured in "EULAs of despair". Linked TOS 5.62 Tolstoys, over 275 hours.[[1]] Drakeula (talk) 16:43, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Where to ask questions on the wiki?

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Where should users ask questions if they don't do discord? e.g., Questions about how to use wiki? Questions about policy? And most important, questions they can't figure out where to ask?

I have looked around, even read through the staff directory, but can't figure out who/where to ask.

A quick link/directory of where to ask would be really helpful on the homepage. Thank you. Drakeula (talk) 00:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Not a mod (you’ve probably seen me say that by now) but I’d go to CRW Team which shows members, click on one of the blue wiki links and ask for advice on a mods talk page. They usually get back within a day or so. AnotherConsumerRightsPerson (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
Basically this^
It might be best to ping specific moderators since not many of them are frequently on or are aware of all the Talk pages. And still, the noticeboard is the best bet for all questions, especially if you don't have one specific mod in mind. You can also ping someone there too. Beanie Bo (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2025 (UTC)Reply