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[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@[[User:Keith|Keith]],

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025

@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.

Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

==Re: CAT Documentation==

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:::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.

:::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

==Thanks and silly questions==

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==

[[Miku]]

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs

:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

==Why was my page deleted?==

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.

:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.

:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==

Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

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 [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
+[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
+@[[User:Keith|Keith]],
+There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.
+Thank you.
+[[User:Alexa|Alexa]] ([[User talk:Alexa|talk]]) 17 May 2025
+@[[User:Alexa|Alexa]]
+I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be.
+Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.
+Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.
+[[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
 ==Re: CAT Documentation==
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 :::I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.
 :::And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
+==Thanks and silly questions==
+Hi Keith,
+thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.
+Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?
+Mika, Madagascar. [[User:Mikadago|Mikadago]] ([[User talk:Mikadago|talk]]) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
+:I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
+==Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?==
+[[Miku]]
+I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
+:Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the [[Netflix]] article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs
+:In any case, thank you for the good work! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
+==Why was my page deleted?==
+I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency?  [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
+:From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.
+:I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
+::Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? [[User:Slab Man|Slab Man]] ([[User talk:Slab Man|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
+:::The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
+:::I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.
+:::Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
+==Interenet Archive stub notice seems badly placed==
+Hi @[[User:Keith|Keith]], the stub notice on [[Internet Archive]] seems to be after the lead section and not before it. Can you please fix this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:40, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
+:Done! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 08:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)