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I cannot deny, the "dark patterns" section definitely feels a bit inflammatory, though I'm curious to know if other seconds are a bit inflammatory [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 15:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

: Agree, I added the ToneWarning because the whole page seemed 'off' -Keith

:Agree, I added the ToneWarning because the whole page seemed 'off' -Keith

: Any ideas on how to tone the rest of the page down? I know we'd need to get the attention of the "dark patterns" author to know the intent before we clean that section up. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 16:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:Any ideas on how to tone the rest of the page down? I know we'd need to get the attention of the "dark patterns" author to know the intent before we clean that section up. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 16:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

:As an aside - the dark pattern is no longer as much a problem as latest ISO images of the installation media don't even allow for creating a local account, ''even without internet access'', and will happily inform you that you need to connect to the internet to create or link your MicroSoft account.

:It's now necessary to open a powershell window and execute a command to skip the Out-Of-Box-Experience, sequence-breaking the onboarding process and restart the installer in order to create a local account without having to log into a microsoft account ''first''.

:Initially, you could install windows and a local account was a freely selectable choice. After 22, you had to start the installer with no internet availability and it would then offer you the choice of a local account, albeit hidden behind a couple of clicks. Now, it's not even an option without some hackery.

:I think I have some old ISO images around that I could try, to better demonstrate the dark pattern that ''was'' present, though. [[User:SwervingLemon|SwervingLemon]] ([[User talk:SwervingLemon|talk]]) 21:13, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

== Dark patterns section ==

:I reached out to Ixus directly by e-mail. Hoping to get some more information, as IMO the issue isn't tone but a lack of details. [[User:Skatche|Skatche]] ([[User talk:Skatche|talk]]) 00:19, 27 January 2025 (EST)

==Dark patterns section==

Is it even worth keeping tbh, I was looking for sources and its a barely talked about topic, could just be worth scrapping altogether even after I fixed some of the language.

:Perhaps remove most of the text from this page, and spin it out as a stub incident page?

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 I cannot deny, the "dark patterns" section definitely feels a bit inflammatory, though I'm curious to know if other seconds are a bit inflammatory [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 15:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
-: Agree, I added the ToneWarning because the whole page seemed 'off' -Keith
+:Agree, I added the ToneWarning because the whole page seemed 'off' -Keith
-: Any ideas on how to tone the rest of the page down? I know we'd need to get the attention of the "dark patterns" author to know the intent before we clean that section up. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 16:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
+:Any ideas on how to tone the rest of the page down? I know we'd need to get the attention of the "dark patterns" author to know the intent before we clean that section up. [[User:JamesTDG|JamesTDG]] ([[User talk:JamesTDG|talk]]) 16:06, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
+:As an aside - the dark pattern is no longer as much a problem as latest ISO images of the installation media don't even allow for creating a local account, ''even without internet access'', and will happily inform you that you need to connect to the internet to create or link your MicroSoft account.
+:It's now necessary to open a powershell window and execute a command to skip the Out-Of-Box-Experience, sequence-breaking the onboarding process and restart the installer in order to create a local account without having to log into a microsoft account ''first''.
+:Initially, you could install windows and a local account was a freely selectable choice. After 22, you had to start the installer with no internet availability and it would then offer you the choice of a local account, albeit hidden behind a couple of clicks. Now, it's not even an option without some hackery.
+:I think I have some old ISO images around that I could try, to better demonstrate the dark pattern that ''was'' present, though. [[User:SwervingLemon|SwervingLemon]] ([[User talk:SwervingLemon|talk]]) 21:13, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
-== Dark patterns section ==
+:I reached out to Ixus directly by e-mail. Hoping to get some more information, as IMO the issue isn't tone but a lack of details. [[User:Skatche|Skatche]] ([[User talk:Skatche|talk]]) 00:19, 27 January 2025 (EST)
+==Dark patterns section==
 Is it even worth keeping tbh, I was looking for sources and its a barely talked about topic, could just be worth scrapping altogether even after I fixed some of the language.
+:Perhaps remove most of the text from this page, and spin it out as a stub incident page?