User talk:Keith

Alexa (talk) 16 May 2025

Hello @Keith,

I'm interested in helping with the wiki, and specifically I have real world example, but would like to check if it's a good fit here or not.

And I can't talk in discord, as it's forcing me to submit my email.

Is this a good place to start conversation on adding new company, and fitness of the case.

Thank you.

∼∼∼∼

Hi @Alexa!

No problem at all - go ahead and let me know what your thought is and I'll give you my thoughts on whether/how it fits on the wiki!

Keith (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Alexa (talk) 06:36, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

@Keith,

There is company in California that offers indoor skydiving, and obviously they have waiver to sign (with arbitration 😃), but it's not the issue I found there, but that part of that waiver is "consent" to "grant exclusive permission" to take photo/video, and use it in their promotional materials, and there is no way to sign the waiver without consenting to that photo/video permission, online form doesn't allow you to proceed. And even when we went to the place itself, staff said that "corporate doesn't allow them to print out forms to fill out, anymore, and all waivers need to be filled in online", means we can't opt out from that photo/video consent. So my kid ended up not taking that "flight", because we couldn't sign the waiver without consenting to photos.

Thank you.

Alexa (talk) 17 May 2025

@Alexa

I think that fits the bill - although it's a smaller company, it fits within the frame of modern consumer protection and demonstrates how draconian the terms for even something like that can be. Go for it! I'd probably say that this is a case where a company article can be created, and the TOS issue can be neatly summarised within it, as opposed to being a seperate incident article.

Edit: actually, I might have got ahead of myself - is this something which has been covered or discussed annywhere other than by yourself? If not, it may fall foul of the No Original Research rule, although a very basic page which basically just lays out the facts which can be established from their website and TOS, and does not provide any commentary beyond this, might be ok.

Keith (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Re: CAT Documentation

@Keith I've replied to your message at User talk:Travis. Let me know if you'd like to discuss further approaches to organizing the documentation. Travis (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Delegating tasks

Hello Keith,

You said at the meetup that you found it easy to delegate.

This interests me because when I was in business, I found it difficult delegate: did not believe people could not do a good enough job and I would be still responsible for the results.

Is this topic of interest to you?

∼∼∼∼

Janosabel (talk) 22:48, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

I think that in the context of wikis or any kind of community project, one needs to be able to trust others to get anywhere (perhaps with some verification too at times).

I'm under absolutely no illusion that I can do all or even much of this by myself, and we have some really talented and great people on the team!

There's no way of achieving the results we'd want without spreading the workload and decision-making responsibility. Keith (talk) 09:33, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I understand what you mean.

Just realised, I was speaking about me half a century ago; and not being able to trust delegees cost me a burnout. Without delegation even if imperfect, what must be done cannot be done.

Unfortunately I cannot help by contributing to the Wiki for lack of academic training in the required writing style, but put on my talk page a witness account how supermarkets expanding to local areas are killing independent small traders.

PS. What is the difference between <edit source> and using the <reply> button? Janosabel (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

I think the reply button just opens up a small window of the editor, and applies the signature to the message automatically? I'll have a look at what you mentioned, but I'm not sure it quite fits the theme of the Wiki, as we're keeping it focused on anti-consumer activities, rather than general issues with corporate behaviour.

And yes, I'll be careful on burnout! I want to avoid the combination of this and my day job driving me mad... Keith (talk) 23:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks and silly questions

Hi Keith,

thanks for adding me to the confirmed users. Total newbie here, i have no idea how to properly contribute. I tried to start a discussion in the Category Leagislation Africa, not sure if it was posted.

Should i ask it directly here? or keep it in that category?

Mika, Madagascar. Mikadago (talk) 11:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

I'm happy to reply there, though it will take a few mins to put together an answer and provide some guidance on where best to include the information Keith (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Is the main Miku article ready to have the stub removed?

Miku

I've been working on getting to Miku article to a better place, is there anything else you think I should add to it before the stub is removed? Left4Code (talk) 01:20, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Happy to remove the incomplete notice as it's defeinitely better sourced now, but I think it might be s good idea for you to have a look at how the controversies/incidents section is laid out on the Netflix article, as the way it's done in the Miku article is a little strange, especially with the 'this article sumarizes' bits at the start of paragraphs

In any case, thank you for the good work! Keith (talk) 08:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Why was my page deleted?

I also see no notices or notifications in regard to this. I thought the whole point of this was for transparency? Slab Man (talk) 21:12, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

From what I can tell you created the article with, other than the information from the form, just a couple of sentences containing an accusation without any citation or reference to support it. After around 12 hours, Mr Pollo added a deletion notice to the article, as there was virtually no information contained in the article. After a couple more days, as the article had not been edited or improved, it was deleted.

I can't speak to the lack of notifications - usually whenever an article you've been involved in is edited, it will show up in your inbox in the top right of the screen. It's possible that the full deletion of the article resulted in it removing the notifications; I'm not exactly sure of how that interaction works Keith (talk) 23:01, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Well I planned to add more details and citations when I had time. It can't be a draft/work in progress? You have to write everything in one go? Slab Man (talk) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

The wiki generally expects an article to have at least a few references and all of the template parts at least partially filled in within the first few days of an article's creation. JamesTDG (talk) 05:59, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

I'll second what James said, and also add that it's possible to create draft pages within your user space. You do this by adding 'user:[yourname]/' to the start of the page name. This keeps it out of mainspace, meaning it is not searchable by the main search bar.

Currently this policy you've encountered is unwritten, so I'll add it to the moderator guidelines shortly. Keith (talk) 06:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)