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==Please add cautions to discord link==
==Hey what happened to my account?==


Given the topic of this wiki, it surprises me that getting help seems to be gated behind [[discord]]. 
I am currently using "Edit Source" as a way to communicate, but I am not sure what happened. What happened to "Edit" what happened to me not able to reply? What did I do?


I think it would make sense to have the link on the home page (which currently goes to discord) go to a page that explains the discord situation, points out the downsides of discord (including a link to the wiki’s coverage of discord), and then lists the discord link, as well as a link to wherever on the wiki one can get help if decide not to discord.
:@[[User:Jerry468|Jerry468]] This happens in discussions, for some reason there is no 'edit' button in discussion pages, instead use the 'reply' button next to discussions or the 'Add Topic' button on the top right. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 15:31, 29 October 2025 (UTC)


For discord you have to read 29 pages of TOS, 19 pages of privacy policy; agree to their data harvesting, give up 7th amendment rights (forced arbitration), no class action, etc.  Then create an account, including surrendering your birth date.  Then figure out how to use yet another interface.  Evidently in some places you also have to send them a picture of you with some id (yours if you trust them, fake if you don't).
=="Random Page" should be front and center :)==


Pretty ironic for this wiki advocating consumers rights to gate things behind some company with a less than stellar consumer rights stance.  I figure that wondering about discord is a frequently asked question, and there is probably a standard response/explanation, but I can not find anything about this on the wiki. Where is the coverage of this?
When browsing without an account "Random Page" is hidden behind a menu. Is there a way to plop it right next to "search" or in the middle of the home page to better facilitate visitors? (or maybe a browse button? Or a "New here? Read about consumer rights here!" where it gives a quick into and recommends a good page to start browsing).


If such an explanation does not exist, please help create one.  Some of the things I think it well to address:
Its just a little overwhelming to be a visitor curious about consumer rights and not having a clear place to start. [[User:Mallveo|Mallveo]] ([[User talk:Mallveo|talk]]) 21:39, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
*Why discord?
*Is anything being done to move to a more consumer friendly platform?  (e.g., What other platforms are being considered? What platforms rejected?  What are desiderata?  What is anticipated time frame?)
*Is there a project to mirror the public parts of the discord to the wiki, or to a web page?  (I haven’t found a tool to do this.  If I were doing it, I would try starting with something like DiscordChatExporter. [not an endorsement, I haven’t tried it]) A discord client for wiki (i.e., lets wiki users post on the discord) would be even better.  (However, with the direction discord company is going, this is probably not worth the effort.)


Any other questions such an explanation should answer?
:Hi, sorry for none of us replying! Pinging @[[User:Keith|Keith]] as he can give a much better response, but from what I understand we are doing a full UI redesign in 2026. As for things being front and center, maybe we could consider that as an option when we do that, but there is a sidebar already showing some important information on the left. Hope that helps. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:47, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
::I think the thing they're meaning with this is that the sidebar starts out collapsed if you're not logged in, so it's not obviously visible to a new user. This is something that should probably be fixed regardless of any UI redesign as I think the sidebar's pretty important for site navigation.
::For now a random article link on the main page seems like a decent shout! [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:09, 5 January 2026 (UTC)
:::Oh, that definitely shouldn't be hidden, I didn't know that! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
::::This is a default feature of Vector 2022. I’d fixed this before, but it got overwritten when we redid a lot of the infrastructure. I’ll add it back when I get a chance. [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 01:09, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
::::Now fixed! :) [[User:JakeL|JakeL]] ([[User talk:JakeL|talk]]) 21:14, 1 February 2026 (UTC)


I wrote this a few days ago, but hadn't posted it. Just saw Mr. Rossmann's video about discord's new terms of service. Seems to me even more urgent to modify how this wiki pushes people to discord. Thanks.
==not to alarm you guys... but...==
[[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:17, 9 October 2025 (UTC)


:Current TOS score average reading level of 14th grade (Junior in college), estimated reading time 42 minutes just for the TOS.  A 2021 version of Discord TOS featured in "EULAs of despair".  Linked TOS 5.62 Tolstoys, over 275 hours.[[https://www.pilotlab.org/eulas-of-despair]]  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 16:43, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
1000 pages boyssssssssssssss! we done it. (now can we please take care of [[:Category:Articles with deletion requests|dis]]) [[User:SinexTitan|SinexTitan]] ([[User talk:SinexTitan|talk]]) 19:12, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
::The discord link is in several other places (e.g. the left hand panel, the edit notice when moving a page).  May be well to change those pages also to land on a caution page before just taking to Discord. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 05:25, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::I noticed that some other editors also are reluctant to use discord.  See [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_2#Please_whitelist_creativecommons.org]] Thanks.  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 06:49, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::+1 to this, never signed up for an account, only to download things when people are too lazy to not force discord to get it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 07:15, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Keith|Keith]] Hoping you can respond to this when you get the chance, since you mentioned this issue before. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 12:39, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
::Yep. I think @[[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]]'s idea of a warning page makes sense. It would save a lot of questions, I'll add it onto my to-do, though if anyone here wants to take a crack at it (assuming I haven't by the time you read this) then that would be helpful too. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 19:44, 19 October 2025 (UTC)


==Where to ask questions on the wiki?==
==Top articles correction==


Where should users ask questions if they don't do discord?  e.g., Questions about how to use wiki?  Questions about policy?  And most important, questions they can't figure out where to ask? 
I moved the page [[Milwaukee battery DRM]] because "DRM" was lowercase previously. The main page still uses the formatting from the redirect that the page move left behind, even after purging the cache, so it must be manually updated. More importantly, the link for [[Digital rights management]] is dead; I'm going to add a redirect, but I'm leaving this here as a heads up. [[User:Bythmusters|Bythmusters]] ([[User talk:Bythmusters|talk]]) 18:05, 29 January 2026 (UTC)


I have looked around, even read through the staff directory, but can't figure out who/where to ask.
:{{Done}}. DRM link was probs alr fixed by JakeL. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 17:16, 30 January 2026 (UTC)


A quick link/directory of where to ask would be really helpful on the homepage.  Thank you.  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:23, 9 October 2025 (UTC)
==Seeking Help to Reconfigure Bluetooth Settings on a Medical Prosthetic Knee==


:Not a mod (''you’ve probably seen me say that by now'') but I’d go to [[CRW Team]] which shows members, click on one of the blue wiki links and ask for advice on a mods talk page. They usually get back within a day or so. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 20:01, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
::Basically this^
::It might be best to ping specific moderators since not many of them are frequently on or are aware of all the Talk pages. And still, the noticeboard is the best bet for all questions, especially if you don't have  one specific mod in mind. You can also ping someone there too. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 20:55, 10 October 2025 (UTC)


==Add a main page list of major notorious companies==
I’m hoping someone here can point me in the right direction. I’m a transfemoral amputee using a second-hand Bluetooth-enabled prosthetic knee. The knee itself is fully functional, but it’s an older, discontinued model, and that’s where the problem starts.


Please add to the main page a list/section of major companies known to have violated consumer rights, with direct links to each company’s article (e.g., Alphabet (Google), Microsoft). This would make it easier for average users to find out about it. [[User:EBones|EBones]] ([[User talk:EBones|talk]]) 09:19, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
The manufacturer’s configuration software is now obsolete and no longer supported, so my prosthetist cannot reconfigure the knee using official tools anymore. I do have legitimate access:
• The device is mine
• I can successfully connect to it via Bluetooth
• I have the pairing key and can use the mobile app
However, the mobile app only exposes very limited settings, and I need access to deeper / advanced configuration parameters that directly affect my gait, stability, and overall mobility. These settings clearly exist (they were adjustable when the device was still supported), but they’re now locked behind software that no longer runs.


:Hello, and welcome! I agree that additional navigation pages could help make this wiki more accessible. However, I wonder how one could define such a list in a way that would keep it manageableIt could easily become an ever-expanding thing, or, if limited to a set number of entries, how would you focus it so that there wasn't constant back-and-forth about who should be on it? (Just my thought on how to improve the suggestion, if you want to pursue it.)
What I’m trying to understand is whether it’s possible to:
:I have no idea whether such a thing would fly with the moderators here. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 05:37, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
• Inspect or understand the Bluetooth communication used by the original software/app
• Identify the relevant commands, characteristics, or protocol used to configure the knee
  • Modify or send specific configuration values using modern tools, without relying on the deprecated software
This is not about bypassing security or hacking a device I don’t own — it’s a medical device that I depend on daily, and I’m simply trying to regain access to functionality that the hardware is already capable of, but software obsolescence has taken away.
 
I’m open to learning and doing this properly, and I understand this may involve BLE analysis, protocol reverse-engineering, or embedded/Bluetooth tooling. Even high-level guidance on where to start (tools, workflows, or similar experiences) would be incredibly helpful.
 
If anyone has experience with:
• Bluetooth or BLE reverse engineering
• GATT analysis, packet sniffing, or custom Bluetooth protocols
or is willing to help guide me through this, I’d be deeply grateful. This isn’t just a technical curiosity — it’s about maintaining my independence and quality of life.
 
Thank you so much for reading. [[User:Daniel2299|Daniel2299]] ([[User talk:Daniel2299|talk]]) 23:54, 6 February 2026 (UTC)
 
==Add diagrams==
 
I know this is likely already covered under some other site or maybe it is here and I missed it.
 
Would it be possible to have a section for an archive of wiring diagramsand maybe user manuals? I havee no ideas how it could be archived ie by year the product was made, or company, or company product subproduct.
 
I worry that may bring unwanted attention from companies trying to keep their diagrams proprietary. That or this will be the location of the next top secret leak.
 
I could also see this being a data sink that is rarely used.
 
I  know a some of the manuals/ diagrams are hidden behind a pay wall or almost impossible to find and having one location that is not going to charge a subscription later would be great[[Special:Contributions/72.22.224.50|72.22.224.50]] 19:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
 
==JFK Consumer Bill of Rights==
 
I'd like to suggest that CR-Wiki identify the best location on the Site to commemorate Jack Kennedy's 1962 Consumer Bill of Rights, which, although never specifically codified into US national Consumer Rights law, has nevertheless served as a model for many related Consumer movements and laws. [[User:Campaign for Good Government|Campaign for Good Government]] ([[User talk:Campaign for Good Government|talk]]) 00:30, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
 
==What happened to the main page==
 
why does the main page look like this https://ibb.co/21XSXgWC https://ibb.co/MkDgJrf1 ? Did I do something, how do I fix it? [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 17:54, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
 
:Don't worry - Jake's just playing around with the templates and formatting to try and make it look a bit nicer! should settle down shortly [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 18:05, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks for letting me know [[User:Andrew V|Andrew V]] ([[User talk:Andrew V|talk]]) 18:08, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
 
==An incorrect link and more==
 
The Clippy Daily Dot article link is incorrect in the "In the News" template being transcluded to the Main Page
:the link is    https://www.dailydot.com/culture/youtube-clippy-pfx/
:but should be  https://dailydot.com/youtube-clippy-pfp
The correct link says "pfp" (profile picture) and the incorrect link says "pfx" for some reason.
 
 
It was a pain to find the transcluded template with the error:
:https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Template:Main_Page/In_The_News
Since this other similar page is linked from the template:
:https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Consumer_Rights_Wiki:In_the_news
It's atypical of MediaWiki based projects to not directly link to the view template page from the template itself. And maybe the page similarity issue should be solved with a merge?
 
 
Lastly, and most significantly, the historical view of the Main Page at the time of the edit that added the template in question (6 July 2025)
:https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=16466
includes the Daily Dot Clippy story (12 August 2025) which wasn't available at the time of the edit, demonstrating that the transclusion was refreshed even for the '''''older revisions''''' of the Main Page. The older "renderings" of the page shouldn't have been modified with updated transclusions not just for preservation purposes, but also because it would waste a bunch of the server time dealing with extra stuff in the MediaWiki Job Queue.
 
I am not sure how hard those other things are to fix but there you go. [[Special:Contributions/209.44.198.25|209.44.198.25]] 09:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
 
:Sorry for not seeing this earlier and thanks a lot for this! I've done the first as it's very easy, but @[[User:JakeL|JakeL]] could do the second one as I'm not sure how to fix it. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 09:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
 
== Identify Consumer Tools with Anti-Consumer Concessions? ==
 
I specifically bring this up because of the recommendation of Trim, the OneMain version of Rocket Money. When clicking the link, I'd initially expected it would be some financial tool with crowd-sourced identifiers for various subscription services that you could drop your statements into to identify unintentional spending. On actually reading the Privacy Policy, however, it's very much the same case as any other major finance app where they're sharing your every identifier to advertisers and retaining your personal information for up to 12 months.
 
I'm not saying this is inherently wrong or that such practices should immediately disqualify it from being listed on the site, but I do think it would be in the spirit of the wiki to add some kind of identifier for tools/services which are run by entities prone to anti-consumer practices, just to help someone who might assume that any tool recommended by users of the wiki would also abide by the apparent values of the wiki, without them actually verifying that such is the case. I think something similar to the adjacent tool's [requires subscription] label would suffice. Maybe even just an asterisk with a line at the bottom of the box clarifying that while this tool is useful, it comes with one or more anti-consumer concessions.
 
I think the ultimate "fix" for this is to create individual pages for each tool, or category of tool, or one long "Consumer Tools" page with fleshed out details on each item, but that's a much more involved project than what I think would be sufficient for right now(TM).
 
That said, I can also see the argument that one should be privy to the privacy policy and ToS with any product, so perhaps that behavior is assumed and this isn't considered to be within the scope of the wiki. That, along with determining the specifics if something were to be implemented to address my concern, is why I thought it would make sense to put this in the Talk page. [[User:AROAH|AROAH]] ([[User talk:AROAH|talk]]) 06:18, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

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Hey what happened to my account?

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I am currently using "Edit Source" as a way to communicate, but I am not sure what happened. What happened to "Edit" what happened to me not able to reply? What did I do?

@Jerry468 This happens in discussions, for some reason there is no 'edit' button in discussion pages, instead use the 'reply' button next to discussions or the 'Add Topic' button on the top right. AnotherConsumerRightsPerson (talk) 15:31, 29 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

"Random Page" should be front and center :)

[edit source]

When browsing without an account "Random Page" is hidden behind a menu. Is there a way to plop it right next to "search" or in the middle of the home page to better facilitate visitors? (or maybe a browse button? Or a "New here? Read about consumer rights here!" where it gives a quick into and recommends a good page to start browsing).

Its just a little overwhelming to be a visitor curious about consumer rights and not having a clear place to start. Mallveo (talk) 21:39, 10 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hi, sorry for none of us replying! Pinging @Keith as he can give a much better response, but from what I understand we are doing a full UI redesign in 2026. As for things being front and center, maybe we could consider that as an option when we do that, but there is a sidebar already showing some important information on the left. Hope that helps. AnotherConsumerRightsPerson (talk) 19:47, 31 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
I think the thing they're meaning with this is that the sidebar starts out collapsed if you're not logged in, so it's not obviously visible to a new user. This is something that should probably be fixed regardless of any UI redesign as I think the sidebar's pretty important for site navigation.
For now a random article link on the main page seems like a decent shout! Keith (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oh, that definitely shouldn't be hidden, I didn't know that! AnotherConsumerRightsPerson (talk) 19:27, 10 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
This is a default feature of Vector 2022. I’d fixed this before, but it got overwritten when we redid a lot of the infrastructure. I’ll add it back when I get a chance. JakeL (talk) 01:09, 28 January 2026 (UTC)Reply
Now fixed! :) JakeL (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

not to alarm you guys... but...

[edit source]

1000 pages boyssssssssssssss! we done it. (now can we please take care of dis) SinexTitan (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

Top articles correction

[edit source]

I moved the page Milwaukee battery DRM because "DRM" was lowercase previously. The main page still uses the formatting from the redirect that the page move left behind, even after purging the cache, so it must be manually updated. More importantly, the link for Digital rights management is dead; I'm going to add a redirect, but I'm leaving this here as a heads up. Bythmusters (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Done. DRM link was probs alr fixed by JakeL. AnotherConsumerRightsPerson (talk) 17:16, 30 January 2026 (UTC)Reply

Seeking Help to Reconfigure Bluetooth Settings on a Medical Prosthetic Knee

[edit source]

Hi everyone,

I’m hoping someone here can point me in the right direction. I’m a transfemoral amputee using a second-hand Bluetooth-enabled prosthetic knee. The knee itself is fully functional, but it’s an older, discontinued model, and that’s where the problem starts.

The manufacturer’s configuration software is now obsolete and no longer supported, so my prosthetist cannot reconfigure the knee using official tools anymore. I do have legitimate access:

•	The device is mine

•	I can successfully connect to it via Bluetooth

•	I have the pairing key and can use the mobile app

However, the mobile app only exposes very limited settings, and I need access to deeper / advanced configuration parameters that directly affect my gait, stability, and overall mobility. These settings clearly exist (they were adjustable when the device was still supported), but they’re now locked behind software that no longer runs.

What I’m trying to understand is whether it’s possible to:

•	Inspect or understand the Bluetooth communication used by the original software/app

•	Identify the relevant commands, characteristics, or protocol used to configure the knee

•	Modify or send specific configuration values using modern tools, without relying on the deprecated software

This is not about bypassing security or hacking a device I don’t own — it’s a medical device that I depend on daily, and I’m simply trying to regain access to functionality that the hardware is already capable of, but software obsolescence has taken away.

I’m open to learning and doing this properly, and I understand this may involve BLE analysis, protocol reverse-engineering, or embedded/Bluetooth tooling. Even high-level guidance on where to start (tools, workflows, or similar experiences) would be incredibly helpful.

If anyone has experience with:

•	Bluetooth or BLE reverse engineering

•	GATT analysis, packet sniffing, or custom Bluetooth protocols

or is willing to help guide me through this, I’d be deeply grateful. This isn’t just a technical curiosity — it’s about maintaining my independence and quality of life.

Thank you so much for reading. Daniel2299 (talk) 23:54, 6 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Add diagrams

[edit source]

I know this is likely already covered under some other site or maybe it is here and I missed it.

Would it be possible to have a section for an archive of wiring diagramsand maybe user manuals? I havee no ideas how it could be archived ie by year the product was made, or company, or company product subproduct.

I worry that may bring unwanted attention from companies trying to keep their diagrams proprietary. That or this will be the location of the next top secret leak.

I could also see this being a data sink that is rarely used.

I know a some of the manuals/ diagrams are hidden behind a pay wall or almost impossible to find and having one location that is not going to charge a subscription later would be great. 72.22.224.50 19:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

JFK Consumer Bill of Rights

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I'd like to suggest that CR-Wiki identify the best location on the Site to commemorate Jack Kennedy's 1962 Consumer Bill of Rights, which, although never specifically codified into US national Consumer Rights law, has nevertheless served as a model for many related Consumer movements and laws. Campaign for Good Government (talk) 00:30, 24 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

What happened to the main page

[edit source]

why does the main page look like this https://ibb.co/21XSXgWC https://ibb.co/MkDgJrf1 ? Did I do something, how do I fix it? Andrew V (talk) 17:54, 5 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Don't worry - Jake's just playing around with the templates and formatting to try and make it look a bit nicer! should settle down shortly Keith (talk) 18:05, 5 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for letting me know Andrew V (talk) 18:08, 5 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
[edit source]

The Clippy Daily Dot article link is incorrect in the "In the News" template being transcluded to the Main Page

the link is https://www.dailydot.com/culture/youtube-clippy-pfx/
but should be https://dailydot.com/youtube-clippy-pfp

The correct link says "pfp" (profile picture) and the incorrect link says "pfx" for some reason.


It was a pain to find the transcluded template with the error:

https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Template:Main_Page/In_The_News

Since this other similar page is linked from the template:

https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Consumer_Rights_Wiki:In_the_news

It's atypical of MediaWiki based projects to not directly link to the view template page from the template itself. And maybe the page similarity issue should be solved with a merge?


Lastly, and most significantly, the historical view of the Main Page at the time of the edit that added the template in question (6 July 2025)

https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=16466

includes the Daily Dot Clippy story (12 August 2025) which wasn't available at the time of the edit, demonstrating that the transclusion was refreshed even for the older revisions of the Main Page. The older "renderings" of the page shouldn't have been modified with updated transclusions not just for preservation purposes, but also because it would waste a bunch of the server time dealing with extra stuff in the MediaWiki Job Queue.

I am not sure how hard those other things are to fix but there you go. 209.44.198.25 09:48, 20 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Sorry for not seeing this earlier and thanks a lot for this! I've done the first as it's very easy, but @JakeL could do the second one as I'm not sure how to fix it. AnotherConsumerRightsPerson (talk) 09:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Identify Consumer Tools with Anti-Consumer Concessions?

[edit source]

I specifically bring this up because of the recommendation of Trim, the OneMain version of Rocket Money. When clicking the link, I'd initially expected it would be some financial tool with crowd-sourced identifiers for various subscription services that you could drop your statements into to identify unintentional spending. On actually reading the Privacy Policy, however, it's very much the same case as any other major finance app where they're sharing your every identifier to advertisers and retaining your personal information for up to 12 months.

I'm not saying this is inherently wrong or that such practices should immediately disqualify it from being listed on the site, but I do think it would be in the spirit of the wiki to add some kind of identifier for tools/services which are run by entities prone to anti-consumer practices, just to help someone who might assume that any tool recommended by users of the wiki would also abide by the apparent values of the wiki, without them actually verifying that such is the case. I think something similar to the adjacent tool's [requires subscription] label would suffice. Maybe even just an asterisk with a line at the bottom of the box clarifying that while this tool is useful, it comes with one or more anti-consumer concessions.

I think the ultimate "fix" for this is to create individual pages for each tool, or category of tool, or one long "Consumer Tools" page with fleshed out details on each item, but that's a much more involved project than what I think would be sufficient for right now(TM).

That said, I can also see the argument that one should be privy to the privacy policy and ToS with any product, so perhaps that behavior is assumed and this isn't considered to be within the scope of the wiki. That, along with determining the specifics if something were to be implemented to address my concern, is why I thought it would make sense to put this in the Talk page. AROAH (talk) 06:18, 5 April 2026 (UTC)Reply