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:::Definitely consumer concerns and therefore I think worth mentioning. The cost of AI is largely hidden. Simply acknowledging that these are consumer concerns with AI, and pointing to good places to get started with the issues. In an overview article, if we only list "new" consumer concerns, it may make things needlessly difficult for the reader.

:::'''Data Centers.''' Electricity rates are projected to go up precipitously because of AI. Pollution and greenhouse gasses affect everybody. (MS, Google missing carbon reduction goals because of AI.) Tax subsidies are paid for by broad segments of the population.

::::In siting an AI data center, the local commissioners and the company typically make the secret deal, where the company gets public subsidy of electricity, taxes, water, etc., and the community gets a few jobs (at several million per job), plus whatever other arrangements. Even though consumers are excluded from the negotiations, that is still a consumer issue, since consumers pay the electricity rates, they breathe the air polluted by the on-site gas generators, they have their wells polluted by excessive water draw, they deal with noise pollution, the community has to deal with the electronic waste, etc. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 10:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

:::'''Labor concerns.''' People make choices about clothing brands based on how the people making the clothes are treated. Why should it be different with AI. Just because I am not the person getting [bleeped] by the corporation, doesn't mean it is only between the business and the employee. Sure, not everybody cares, but I think clippies might. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

:::'''Intellectual property''' Perhaps I could have picked a more evocative title? For the purposes of AI, every person is a "creative." This concerns use of your e-mails/facebook posts/tweets/photographs/security camera footage/footage from your roomba/footage from your cars cameras/etc. for training AI. Ownerships of the logs of where you go, what you buy (and where and when). Who you communicate with. Ownership of your medical scans. The output of your medical monitors (CGM, CPAP, pacemaker, smart watch, etc.), and their use in training/advertising/whatever. Publication of your AI queries, your chat logs. Use of AI responses. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:58, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

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 :::Definitely consumer concerns and therefore I think worth mentioning.  The cost of AI is largely hidden.  Simply acknowledging that these are consumer concerns with AI, and pointing to good places to get started with the issues.  In an overview article, if we only list "new" consumer concerns, it may make things needlessly difficult for the reader.
 :::'''Data Centers.'''  Electricity rates are projected to go up precipitously because of AI.  Pollution and greenhouse gasses affect everybody.  (MS, Google missing carbon reduction goals because of AI.)  Tax subsidies are paid for by broad segments of the population.
+::::In siting an AI data center, the local commissioners and the company typically make the secret deal, where the company gets public subsidy of electricity, taxes, water, etc., and the community gets a few jobs (at several million per job), plus whatever other arrangements. Even though consumers are excluded from the negotiations, that is still a consumer issue, since consumers pay the electricity rates, they breathe the air polluted by the on-site gas generators, they have their wells polluted by excessive water draw, they deal with noise pollution, the community has to deal with the electronic waste, etc. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 10:23, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
 :::'''Labor concerns.'''  People make choices about clothing brands based on how the people making the clothes are treated.  Why should it be different with AI.  Just because I am not the person getting [bleeped] by the corporation, doesn't mean it is only between the business and the employee.  Sure, not everybody cares, but I think clippies might.    [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
 :::'''Intellectual property''' Perhaps I could have picked a more evocative title?  For the purposes of AI, every person is a "creative."  This concerns use of your e-mails/facebook posts/tweets/photographs/security camera footage/footage from your roomba/footage from your cars cameras/etc. for training AI.  Ownerships of the logs of where you go, what you buy (and where and when).  Who you communicate with.  Ownership of your medical scans.  The output of your medical monitors (CGM, CPAP, pacemaker, smart watch, etc.), and their use in training/advertising/whatever.  Publication of your AI queries, your chat logs.  Use of AI responses.   [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 09:58, 13 September 2025 (UTC)