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| Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au | | Official Website = https://deepcyclesystems.com.au | ||
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:''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].'' | :''This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see [[DCS (disambiguation)]].'' | ||
Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions. | '''Deep Cycle Systems''' (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions. | ||
==Claims== | ==Claims== | ||
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats. | DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats. | ||
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==Lawsuit== | ==Lawsuit== | ||
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first | On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber [https://www.youtube.com/@AlloffroadAu AlloffroadAu] uploaded a review on DCS' [https://www.deepcyclesystems.com.au/product/dcs-12v-50ah-lithium/ 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery], mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first because legal threats from DCS<sup>''when?''</sup>. | ||
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*For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered. | *For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered. | ||
*For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered. | *For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered. | ||
*This policy was last updated June 14 2021. | *This policy was last updated June 14, 2021. | ||
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This has been the case since November 7 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021. | This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to [https://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove], a web archiving service ran by the [[wikipedia:National_Library_of_Australia|National Library of Australia]]. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021. | ||
The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: <!-- Well, Trove is "a collaboration between the National Library of Australia and hundreds of Partner organisations around Australia" according to their homepage at https://trove.nla.gov.au/. Is this important to point out though? --> | The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that: <!-- Well, Trove is "a collaboration between the National Library of Australia and hundreds of Partner organisations around Australia" according to their homepage at https://trove.nla.gov.au/. Is this important to point out though? --> | ||
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====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives==== | ====Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives==== | ||
[https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they | [https://web.archive.org/ Internet Archive's Wayback Machine] has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering: | ||
*DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine. | *DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine. | ||
*Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated. | *Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated. |
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Founded | 2015 |
Type | Private |
Industry | Information Technology |
Official website | https://deepcyclesystems.com.au |
- This article is about the battery manufacturer. For other uses, see DCS (disambiguation).
Deep Cycle Systems (DCS), founded in 2015, is an Australian company that specializes in the design and manufacture of lithium batteries and energy storage solutions.
Claims
DCS claims to manufacture long-life lithium batteries for extreme climates. They advertise them for use in solar systems and hybrid vehicles, including marines ones such as boats.
Lawsuit
On August 16, 2023, Australian YouTuber AlloffroadAu uploaded a review on DCS' 12v 50ah LiFePo4 lithium battery, mentioning the short longevity and substantial decline in performance after preforming a capacity test. Their review was privated at first because legal threats from DCSwhen?.
AlloffroadAu reports that 30–50% of the capacity is lost in the first several years. They also point out that DCS states that battery capacity will be significantly reduced after traveling a certain distance, but that they also don't mention this in their warranty policy.
Hidden warranty policy update
DCS' warranty policy claims that:
- For normal installations, batteries that fail to deliver 80% of its rated capacity are covered.
- For installations in engine bays/compartments, batteries that fail to deliver 70% of its rated capacity are covered.
- This policy was last updated June 14, 2021.
This has been the case since November 7, 2023 according to Trove, a web archiving service ran by the National Library of Australia. However, Trove shows that on March 9, 2023, the exception for installations in engine bays/compartments didn't exist, contradicting DCS's statement that their policy was last updated in 2021.
The lack of the second criterion means that owners of a DCS battery purchased before March 9 2023 that:
- Was installed in an engine bay/compartment.
- Fell below 80% of its rated capacity.
- Remained above 70% of it.
would be eligible for warranty coverage, but would have no way of knowing because of the changes to DCS' public warranty policy.
The Trove archives can be found here:
Alleged removal of Wayback Machine archives
Internet Archive's Wayback Machine has archives of this policy page, but they are all dated in 2024. This is suspicious when considering:
- DCS falsely claims that their policy was last updated in 2021, when Trove's archives show it was actually updated in 2023, both years not being covered by the Wayback Machine.
- Louis Rossmann claims that consumers of DCS batteries have reached out to him, claiming that they were no longer able to access many older archives of the policy page when they contacted DCS asking when their policy was updated.
This would suggest that DCS was behind the removal of archives before 2024.