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 :Thanks for the heads up. Issue has been addressed in the Discussion page of the article. The notice has been removed [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:16, 4 September 2025 (UTC)
+:I'd caution here that I think quite a few of the practices listed probably wouldn't be within scope.
+:Certainly the following:
+:- Labour concerns
+:- Intellectual property
+:- Control of information/search blocking
+:- Environmental/social impact of data centres
+:Feel like they're out-of-scope as they concern relationships not relevant to the wiki, between businesses and other businesses/creatives, businesses and their employees/workers, as well as between businesses and the wider environment. To prevent scope creep, we want to keep the wiki focused on the consumer-rights issues.
+:And these ones feel like 'edge cases' for relevancy - I'd appreciate some wider input:
+:- Possible effects and harm on users from improper function (I'd argue that in a lot of cases there's not much to be done on this front, but I think if insufficient steps are taken to warn and safeguard users, then they could be mentioned. Certainly things like character.ai and similar do feel very exploitative, but I'm not sure I'd bundle the normal assistants under the same umbrella there)
+:- Liability (I'd say this can be relevant, but the emphasis should be placed on situations where people create systems using AI that take decisions that really shouldn't be left to AI, and harm consumers that way. This is always going to be a fuzzy line, and I'd expect extensive discussion over it - it feels analogous to the question of 'at what point does someone getting injured by their own chainsaw go from being manufacturer negligence, to user error?')
+:More broadly, I think that 'AI' probably isn't the best title for an article, as it's such a wide field. AI technically includes almost anything done by a computer. If we go by dictionary definitions, the computer opponents in old strategy games would count as 'AI'. LLMs, Generative image/video models, and traditional ML stuff like image recognition are all distinct enough, and are related to different issues, that it feels like they'd be better separated into their own articles, rather than bundled.
+:I'll also put this on the discussion page of the article, and probably best to move further conversation there [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:54, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
+::Very fair argument. I was worried that the original article would need to be completely scrapped and redone to be even remotely relevant, but didn't wanna be heavy-handed with it. But it sounds like that's still what might be needed. [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 13:41, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
+==Louis Rossman and other channels video directory==
+Hello, the [[Louis Rossmann - Video Directory]] article and [[Other Channels - Video Directory]] do seem completely irrelevant now but nothing has been said about this from what I can see, so I just want to double check that it is completely unused, and maybe show it is unused as there's nothing on it saying it's unused. [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:37, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
+:Thanks for bringing this up. I do believe that the staff team were actually discussing this, but I don’t recall. I think you need to wait for Keith or someone more informed on this. I just wanted to make sure that you knew staff saw this. - [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 08:49, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
+::I'm pretty sure they were phased out a while ago anyway by the [[Article suggestions]] page, but just wanted to check. Thanks! [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 08:54, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
+:::IMO I think it could be fine to have them and similar pages (I was thinking of adding one for PIRG's historical consumer-relevant reports, as they seem like a decent collection), but if it's obvious from their edit log that they're not being used, then individual pages could be scrapped. [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 09:58, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
+==Please whitelist Creative Commons==
+Have pinged JodyBruchonFan here, who put this on the main page talk page, where i copy pasted this from.
+I don't know where to ask for this (not Discord for reasons below). Could you please whitelist creativecommons.org? It is clearly not spam.
+I quit using Discord the second they demanded my phone number. See also:
+*https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord
+*https://wowana.me/blog/guess-im-done-with-discord.xht
+[[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|AnotherConsumerRightsPerson]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 14:32, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
+:That's fair enough - we're aiming to gradually move all of the moderation infrastructure onto the wiki from the discord (with this page being the start of that process) so we do want to make not using the discord fully viable.
+:In what context were you having issues with creativecommons? Were you trying to put a link on your user page? If that's the case, then it should work for you now, as I've confirmed you (which also means no more captchas). I'll make a note to whitelist the site though, as it's certainly worth doing.
+:@[[User:JodyBruchonFan|JodyBruchonFan]] [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 10:02, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
+==MD Health Pathways Automatic Opt In of Taxpayers On Water / Utility Bills Without Consent / Dr. Dirk Perritt / Text a Doc==
+Please delete the two earlier pages and retain only the most recent one.  Thank you for your kind help. [[User:Soapboxmom|Soapboxmom]] ([[User talk:Soapboxmom|talk]]) 16:42, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
+:[[MD Health Pathways automatic opt in of taxpayers on water / utility bills without consent / Dr. Dirk Perritt / Text a Doc]] I've moved the existing article here, if that helps? it might need to be moved again, as the title is quite unclear re. what the incident is about.  [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:49, 8 September 2025 (UTC)