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 ::::::Realistically, it will be quite some time before we are at the point where we'll expect the wiki to be useful to a reader. At that point, when it comes (maybe around ~2000 articles? next year once the UI overhaul is done?) it might made more sense to have a 'step-up' in how strict we are about zombie articles. So for now I'd say that policing the deletion zombie articles should probably be mostly restricted to articles  that make you go 'this could just be an entry in the article suggestions page' (although if an article feels irrelevant or is just complete trash, that's a different matter). [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 20:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
 :::::::That makes total sense, especially considering how young the wiki still is. I see where you're coming from and I can adopt that philosophy lol.  Thanks for explaining it [[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] ([[User talk:Beanie Bo|talk]]) 21:22, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
+::::::@[[User:Beanie Bo|Beanie Bo]] I agree with Keith on thinking that stubs help growth.
+::::::I only found out about this wiki recently (month or so ago).
+::::::I notice several things that makes the wiki unwelcoming to new editors.  (This is not about any one editor, most of these are from multiple interactions with different people.)
+::::::#Deletion discussions saying something hasn't gotten edits in xx months.  As a newbie, how can I counter that?  (Also, this encourages long term editors to make periodic "keep alive" edits, which seem like a waste of time.)
+::::::#The constant fear of the wiki getting too big/successful.  (Expressed by editors in multiple ways in discussion.  This one is nuanced and complex.  More on this elsewhere.)
+::::::#I haven't had this happen, but I expect for long time editors, having something one worked on deleted just because life happens and you hadn't got back to it in a while would be discouraging.
+::::::#Salting the ground.  When one goes to create an article, all you see is that something was there.  Don't see what it was, or why it was deleted.  If I find that an article on this was deleted, I don't bother to create an article (even if I am sure it could be good and relevant.)  So if you delete things just because they are old, one has increased the friction against creation.  This is part of why I tend to imagine any article is the best, most relevant version of that article it could be.  If that article should stay, then I would vote for keep.  If it still doesn't pass muster, then I would say out it goes.
+::::::#help being gated behind Discord's user agreement.  (See [[Talk:Main_Page]])
+::::::Might also be a matter of working style?  Some people seem to have lots of projects working on at once (office so full of papers you need a shovel to find a chair).  Others may do one thing deeply at one time (clean desk with only 1 file open at a time).  Both extremes can work, just how to support both - allow the cluttered desk folks to have the "richness of opportunities/mess" and the clean desk folks to have their "streamlined/sterile & lifeless" workspace.  (I hope I got that even handed.  No offense meant to any of the styles.)
+::::::I have certainly added to articles which were stubs, some of who's relevance had been questioned.  I find something that is not my main focus, but in passing it inspires hey, I can add this example, or connect that up.  Some of them have inspired me to think of other things worth covering here (articles to propose, etc.).  (i.e., having a wide variety of shoots really does help growth)
+::::::Sorry this got so long. [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:21, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
+::::::One other item to the list -- having an article proposed for deletion right after I try to make it more discoverable.  One of the things I do is try to see what is here, and in the process connect related things.  One of reasons an article might be undeveloped is it was hard to find.  If going to propose based on article age, maybe wait a bit after new links put in.  [[User:Drakeula|Drakeula]] ([[User talk:Drakeula|talk]]) 00:39, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
 :::::I’m fine with either approach, though for now adding a Stub template is good. I agree we should be more strict on "zombie articles" once the wiki becomes more fleshed out. [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 20:42, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
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 This literally comes with MediaWiki to help you learn about it while setting up and it is still in the main menu. I don’t see why we need this? [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|<i><b>AnotherConsumerRightsPerson</b></i>]] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:09, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
+:Good catch; I know its there to help people learn how to edit and do things but after initial set up it does not serve much purpose; maybe we could change it to the editting guide or something becuase there is still usefulness in linking to a mediawiki edit guide or functional tutorial so new users can learn how to edit. [[User:Atsumari|Atsumari]] ([[User talk:Atsumari|talk]]) 15:34, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
+:removed! ty for the catch [[User:Keith|Keith]] ([[User talk:Keith|talk]]) 16:12, 12 October 2025 (UTC)