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:I've never been a wiki mod before, so I'm not sure what it would entail exactly. It'd be nice if it were possible to be able to move files without an unnecessary redirect, though. Or at least spare a certain user's sanity and delete my own file redirects. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

::A wiki mod mainly involves making sure no vandalism is occurring and if there is, applying the necessary block to the offender (usually after a warning is ignored or not if there's clear malice intent). Regarding the file redirects, you do not have the "Leave a redirect behind" option above the "Watch source page and target page" button? [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 00:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response. :)

:::I have never seen such an option displayed on the Special:MovePage (see <code>File:CRW move page - no disable redirect.png</code>). This has always been the case for both the "Vector legacy (2010)" and "Vector (2022)" skins. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 01:23, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

::::Only a mod has that button [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::I suspected as much, thank you for confirming. Guess I'd better find that application page because I know "no sane person wants to hit the delete button millions of times as Sojourna's slave". — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 20:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

::::::Hey, no worries about the application as Keith was offering the role, you are trusted with it.

::::::I gave you mod at the base level, and will momentarily add you to staff chat in Zulip.

::::::Do not worry about any moderation you do not wish to do but it will be good for you to have the perms.

::::::Welcome to staff! [[User:Christoph Howard|Christoph Howard]] ([[User talk:Christoph Howard|talk]]) 02:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::Hmm. I'm only finding this: [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator applications]]. It also says "superconfirmed" can delete pages too, so I'm a bit confused. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:07, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

::::::mod apps is the correct one [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

:::::::Basically, superconfirmed has a checkbox when moving to not leave redirs behind AND can delete whole pages with the delete button (as well as redirects, for that matter8 [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

==archiving websites behind cloudflare or any other blockers==

Hello,

wondering if there's a method to archive content behind a bot blocker (mostly cloudflare). I'm trying to archive #41 of [[Accellion data breach]] : https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/candce/5:2021cv01203/373802

I've thought that I could do something like pass the flare check on the browser, then save the site contents, then upload them somewhere and archive that.

Do you or any of the other moderators know if archiving protected sites is possible? Any help is appreciated. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

:I've thought about it a little more, maybe it would be a good idea to add a url status of blocked or something to denote that some sort of restriction on archival services is happening. That way if more effort is put into getting archives of blocked links, that they can be searchable. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:31, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::actually, if you manually type this, it does actually work. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:33, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

:::here's a proof of concept for this: [[Alien Rides]]

:::I think a decent syntax would be: archive-blocked (captcha:<type>) where type could be:

:::cloudflare

:::recaptcha

:::anubis

:::go-away

:::unknown - if the blocker is "in house" or otherwise not apparent.

:::captcha is only really there to make it apparent to others that what's blocking the archive is some sort of verification system, editors might not know the specific name of a bot blocker but will understand that it is blocking the archive. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

:If a web page is proving impossible to archive because of services such as Cloudflare, that usually only leaves the option of saving the entire page, uploading the file to CRW, and then having the Wayback Machine archive said CRW file page. However, in this specific instance I believe have found a better source to cite that renders your problem moot. [https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59301268/zebelman-v-accellion-inc/ ''Zebelman v. Accellion, Inc.'' (5:21-cv-01203) on Court Listener] is more up-to-date than Justia's page and I had no issue [https://web.archive.org/web/20260503050609/https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59301268/zebelman-v-accellion-inc/ archiving] it.

:<br />

:Should you encounter other problems (such as Twitter/X and Instagram posts), I've found the [[Projects:Archive everything#Alternative frontends & mirrors|Project:Archive everything]] page to be helpful in the fight against link rot. :) [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 05:24, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

::{{Done}}. Replaced the Justia citation with the Court Listener counterpart. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:24, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

::Hey there,

::I've been working on the [[Projects:Archive everything#Alternative frontends & mirrors|Archive everything]] project lately and encountered similar issues when archiving some specific news websites that started blocking the archive.org crawlers. I opened a ticket on the CRW discord-server and talked to the staff about it.

::Here's what i found out:

::It's best to use the Internet Archive and Ghost Archive first, since they are highly trusted by the community. (among other smaller projects)

::If those don't work on the website that was sourced, you can try finding a replica of the page that does allow the crawlers.

::If that isn't possible either one can save the website as a pdf file by using "ctlr + p" and "save-to-pdf". Then upload that pdf file to archive.org. It well create an archive.org link for this file that can be used as your archiving link in this wiki.

::'''This should only be a last resort''' '''though''', since pdf files could be tampered with by the archiver. According to Keith, the mods will let this slide for now, because having such a file is still better than nothing.

::Hope this can help o.o

::PS. directly saving a file to archive.org instead of first saving it to CRW and then the WBM should be simpler and easier on the drive space, since you're only saving it once... [[User:Guacamole|Guacamole]] ([[User talk:Guacamole|talk]]) 17:48, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

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 :I've never been a wiki mod before, so I'm not sure what it would entail exactly. It'd be nice if it were possible to be able to move files without an unnecessary redirect, though. Or at least spare a certain user's sanity and delete my own file redirects. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
+::A wiki mod mainly involves making sure no vandalism is occurring and if there is, applying the necessary block to the offender (usually after a warning is ignored or not if there's clear malice intent). Regarding the file redirects, you do not have the "Leave a redirect behind" option above the "Watch source page and target page" button? [[User:Mr Pollo|Mr Pollo]] ([[User talk:Mr Pollo|talk]]) 00:57, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
+:::Thank you for the response. :)
+:::I have never seen such an option displayed on the Special:MovePage (see <code>File:CRW move page - no disable redirect.png</code>). This has always been the case for both the "Vector legacy (2010)" and "Vector (2022)" skins. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 01:23, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
+::::Only a mod has that button [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 06:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
+:::::I suspected as much, thank you for confirming. Guess I'd better find that application page because I know "no sane person wants to hit the delete button millions of times as Sojourna's slave". — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 20:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
+::::::Hey, no worries about the application as Keith was offering the role, you are trusted with it.
+::::::I gave you mod at the base level, and will momentarily add you to staff chat in Zulip.
+::::::Do not worry about any moderation you do not wish to do but it will be good for you to have the perms.
+::::::Welcome to staff! [[User:Christoph Howard|Christoph Howard]] ([[User talk:Christoph Howard|talk]]) 02:48, 30 March 2026 (UTC)
+:::::Hmm. I'm only finding this: [[Consumer Rights Wiki:Moderator applications]]. It also says "superconfirmed" can delete pages too, so I'm a bit confused. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 21:07, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
+::::::mod apps is the correct one [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
+:::::::Basically, superconfirmed has a checkbox when moving to not leave redirs behind AND can delete whole pages with the delete button (as well as redirects, for that matter8 [[User:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|'''''AnotherConsumerRightsPerson''''']] ([[User talk:AnotherConsumerRightsPerson|talk]]) 21:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
+==archiving websites behind cloudflare or any other blockers==
+Hello,
+wondering if there's a method to archive content behind a bot blocker (mostly cloudflare). I'm trying to archive #41 of [[Accellion data breach]] : https://dockets.justia.com/docket/california/candce/5:2021cv01203/373802
+I've thought that I could do something like pass the flare check on the browser, then save the site contents, then upload them somewhere and archive that.
+Do you or any of the other moderators know if archiving protected sites is possible? Any help is appreciated. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
+:I've thought about it a little more, maybe it would be a good idea to add a url status of blocked or something to denote that some sort of restriction on archival services is happening. That way if more effort is put into getting archives of blocked links, that they can be searchable. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:31, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
+::actually, if you manually type this, it does actually work. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:33, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
+:::here's a proof of concept for this: [[Alien Rides]]
+:::I think a decent syntax would be: archive-blocked (captcha:<type>) where type could be:
+:::cloudflare
+:::recaptcha
+:::anubis
+:::go-away
+:::unknown - if the blocker is "in house" or otherwise not apparent.
+:::captcha is only really there to make it apparent to others that what's blocking the archive is some sort of verification system, editors might not know the specific name of a bot blocker but will understand that it is blocking the archive. [[User:Left4Code|Left4Code]] ([[User talk:Left4Code|talk]]) 03:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
+:If a web page is proving impossible to archive because of services such as Cloudflare, that usually only leaves the option of saving the entire page, uploading the file to CRW, and then having the Wayback Machine archive said CRW file page. However, in this specific instance I believe have found a better source to cite that renders your problem moot. [https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59301268/zebelman-v-accellion-inc/ ''Zebelman v. Accellion, Inc.'' (5:21-cv-01203) on Court Listener] is more up-to-date than Justia's page and I had no issue [https://web.archive.org/web/20260503050609/https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/59301268/zebelman-v-accellion-inc/ archiving] it.
+:<br />
+:Should you encounter other problems (such as Twitter/X and Instagram posts), I've found the [[Projects:Archive everything#Alternative frontends & mirrors|Project:Archive everything]] page to be helpful in the fight against link rot. :) [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 05:24, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
+::{{Done}}. Replaced the Justia citation with the Court Listener counterpart. — [[User:Sojourna|Sojourna]] ([[User talk:Sojourna|talk]]) 23:24, 4 May 2026 (UTC)
+::Hey there,
+::I've been working on the [[Projects:Archive everything#Alternative frontends & mirrors|Archive everything]] project lately and encountered similar issues when archiving some specific news websites that started blocking the archive.org crawlers. I opened a ticket on the CRW discord-server and talked to the staff about it.
+::Here's what i found out:
+::It's best to use the Internet Archive and Ghost Archive first, since they are highly trusted by the community. (among other smaller projects)
+::If those don't work on the website that was sourced, you can try finding a replica of the page that does allow the crawlers.
+::If that isn't possible either one can save the website as a pdf file by using  "ctlr + p" and "save-to-pdf". Then upload that pdf file to archive.org. It well create an archive.org link for this file that can be used as your archiving link in this wiki.
+::'''This should only be a last resort''' '''though''', since pdf files could be tampered with by the archiver. According to Keith, the mods will let this slide for now, because having such a file is still better than nothing.
+::Hope this can help   o.o
+::PS. directly saving a file to archive.org instead of first saving it to CRW and then the WBM should be simpler and easier on the drive space, since you're only saving it once... [[User:Guacamole|Guacamole]] ([[User talk:Guacamole|talk]]) 17:48, 15 June 2026 (UTC)